Libertarian Atheists are often just abusively permissive leftist hippies

Libertarian Atheists, are usually abusively permissive Leftist Hippies.

Case in point:

In response to the post quoted below, 40 or so rather negative responses came back including one death threat against the original poster. After receiving the death threat, the original poster added a long comment in reply, after which the group admins booted the original poster.

The group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LibertarianAtheist/ - AKA Libertarian Atheists.

These people, self-described libertarian atheists, have no concept of what human nature is, and zero respect for our evolutionary heritage.

In the follow post "NIP" means non-interference principle, something self described libertarians claim to believe in.

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Every time I hear Joe Rogan I am inclined to say to him: “you’re a moron. Pot does rot your brain. Also ‘letting people live their lives’ doesn’t take into account how people can be sucked into de facto (secular) cults. And there is a difference between government mandates and just doing social shaming for at least some destructive behaviors - although I’m not pro pot legalization nor for allowing non-reproductive outliers to suck kids into their unnatural-for-the-children ‘relationships.’”

I guess I’m a classic liberal too, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore observed facts or what a given redpill might reveal, nor ignore how evolution works and our evolved natures.

The following is a list of my current views which shall probably trigger leftist-hippie libertarians, and so what:

1. Sexual organs are for making babies.

2. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. Two genders period, and unchangeable.

3. Gayness appears to be largely a forced chosen outlier state, for most people who self identify as such.

Yes there’s gay non-human animals, but this is solely because the force of evolution on this front produces a certain percentage of non-reproductive outliers.

Thus to any extent that their are actually natural born human gays (as opposed to victims sucked into a de facto nihilistic death cult), they are >not< selected for. Rather they, are simply mistakes generated by the machinery and force regarding how evolution works.

4. We should imo salute valiant people like Doug Mainwaring who realize children should and must come first.

5. Climate Change Hysteria has zero connection with real and true and honest science.

6. Religions couch evolved traits and morals.

7. Christianity is superior to Islam and Judaism. Islam greatly and abusively amplifies out-group morality.

8. Christianity laid the foundation for a Reformation and Enlightenment. Men on the moon. America. Bringing humanity out of the largely Islam caused Dark Ages.

9. Overpopulation is a myth created by anti human nihilists.

10. If fat shaming works then why not gay and trans and bi shaming.

11. Margaret Sanger was a horrible racist eugenicist.

12. Race and IQ are inseparably linked.

13. The Democrat party was and still is about slavery.

14. Pot does rot your brain. And who pays for rehab and the impacts resulting from damaged and hijacked brains? Me via tax money.

15. Trump is a wonderful and highly useful president.

Denialist hippie triggering concluded.

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After receiving 40 or so negative type replies, including one death threat from a group member, the following addendum was posted. This addendum comment resulted in the original poster being banned from "Libertarian Atheists."

Not so libertarian. Mostly abusively permissive leftist (GD) hippies.

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There's no such thing as a non-interference principle in a social animal.

Joe Rogan, and his dittoheaded followers frequently resort to the use of loud expletives as a means of conveying supposed arguments. The louder the expletive is spoken (or typed in capitals), the stronger the argument is supposed to be.

Yes it's possible to assess what a group is like by their responses to a given argument pr set or arguments & points. The tone of their responses.

In the above list so far, I see one death threat. How's that for your gd interference principle.

Now, as for a reasoned argument, which I don't think you're able to process really, is as follows:

Humans tend to gather in groups and draw up rules. You know, rules again: murder, rape, cheating. Stuff like that. There's also rules of war, for when another tribe attacks yours. I don't "love" Trump, but I agree with Milo he has damn high utilitarian value, and I also agree with Milo that Trump was the best de-facto librarian on the ballot.

Leftists (including leftist libertarians) force their will onto me and mine all the time.

At >two< government-run local art museums, they have mandatory "gender neutral" restrooms where the mentally-ill gender-dysphoric memetic-children-of-neomarxist-postmodernism men, get to spy on women & girls in the restrooms there.

Gays, force their will onto others all the time, at cake shops, at the adoption center, and on and on. They seek to use the force of law, of the State, to impose their will.

Potheads and other druggies damage their brains. They can end of jobless and on rehab. Who pays for their rehab? And who pays for how pothead parents basically F up the lives of their kids via having easy access to a brain hijacking chemical?

So, who exactly is forcing whom on these fronts?

The gender dysphoric and their leftist enablers, are forcing me.

The gays, are forcing me.

The potheads and other druggies, are forcing me.

The neomarxist postmodernists, are forcing me.

So, why exactly should I give a shit? This was asked more than once. Why would I give one blooding fucking rats ass, what someone else does with "their body." Why? Why? Why?

Because, dumb-S (yes I'll now resort ot the use of exlitives myself, well after one death threat in this thread so far), humans are social animals. Because what you do, affects me. What you do, affects your family. And if you're pregnant, what you do, affects someone who isn't you - the baby inside.

NIP my ass.

As social animals humans have a tendency to make up group rules which help discourage destructive dead end behaviors. So be. Yes not everything is equal. Yes there's a balance between 100% freedom and responsibility. In fact we cannot have freedom without responsibility - something your average pothead lib has mostly forgot. "And don't ask me to pay for your rehab either" - I'd say to them.

For you, yes you, "libertarian" means the freedom to be left alone to do your shit. Smoke pot. Do some bitcoining. More pot. More bitcoining. Add some pot. Joe Rogan libertarianism I guess. Not mine really.

Oh my god, what a mess:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
"Left-libertarianism encompasses those libertarian beliefs that claim the Earth's natural resources belong to everyone in an egalitarian manner, either unowned or owned collectively..."

Response: Earth's natural resources belong to everyone? F-ing Communism!

"Right-libertarianism developed in the United States in the mid-20th century and is the most popular conception of libertarianism in that region. It is commonly referred to as a continuation or radicalization of classical liberalism. Right-libertarians value the social institutions that enforce conditions of capitalism, while rejecting institutions that function in opposition to these institutions."

Response: Ok classical libertalism advocacy, and pro-capitalism.

But how does being pro-capitalism mean you get to kill a baby inside your womb, or that you get to smoke pot & f-up your life (next stop: rehab & getting my tax money - but what of the sacred NIP?), and the lives of your family (NIP gone, again)? How does being pro-capitalism mean you get to adopt a child into your unnatural-for-the-children outlier (gay or trans) relationship?

Oh yes my views are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Victorian.

Hey I likes me some tits and ass as much as the next red blooded American male. But tits and asses are for making kids, ok?

Human nature. Human evolution. What helps humanity thrive best.

Yes I admit and agree that the American project is the best way devised thus far. And if democracy can only be maintained when a general population has an IQ above a certain level, then your dreams of a utopian "libertarian" society look even >more< far off and more like a pipe dream.

Yes of course the State has grown too big.

But it's fascinating (and f-ing annoying) to me that ALL THESE PEOPLE who want to be left alone to do their thang, don't wish to leave me and mine alone.

Gender neutral restrooms where lookiloo men get to spy on women & girls.

Babies killed en masse by Margaret Sanger's abattoir.

Brains damaged and families destroyed by all those drugs which are just, by F, none of my business.

None of my business. None of my business. Don't f-up my party bro!

Leftist hippies indeed. And yes I'm generally for classical liberalism. Thus as you prepare to press the boot button, keep that in mind.

As for the rest, since the thread did include one death threat from one oh-so-kind NIP-loving lib, I'll say this: F U.

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Many self described libertarians aren't libertarian at all. Rather, they're just abusive morons who mostly want to force you, and everyone else, to pay for their excesses and abuse.

UMFA and UMOCA unsafe for women and girls

Video commentary:

(link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0OSXtiO6eU )

The Utah Museum of Fine Arts (UMFA) and Utah Museum of Contemporary Art (UMOCA) are unsafe places for women and girls. The cancer of neomarxist postmodernism has visited both government-owned museums.

If you're a normal human who isn't a forced abused abusive outliter, these government-owned places are actively disenfranchising you and yours. Discrimination, against the normal. Discrimination, against the sane. Risky unsafe environments for women, girls, and families.

More info:

Regarding the Utah Museum of Fine Arts:
'Utah Museum of Fine Arts: Unsafe for Women and Girls! UMFA Unsafe!'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/08/utah-museum-of-fine-arts-unsafe-for.html

Regarding the Utah Museum of Contemporary Art:
'Ultra-leftists force women to use the men's restroom.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/05/utah-first-opposites-attract-in-shadow.html

Utah Museum of Fine Arts: Unsafe for Women and Girls! UMFA Unsafe!

Proof that postmodernist fools and morons are present:

Video commentary in response:

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0OSXtiO6eU

Denialist fools and abusive morons, morons who deny 1.2 billion years of evolutionary history and basic evolved human nature.

My response, to the museum - which they later censored on their Facebook page.

The cancer of postmodernism visits UMFA.

Risky, pro-rape culture, allowing men into the women's restrooms.

Human gender is binary.

Your sign is a lie.

Fools and denialist morons 'acknowledge' otherwise.

And having the State of Utah make such claims via the University of Utah is outrageous.

I don't want my tax money going to support neomarxist postmodern lies.

Their response to me:

Jonathan, thanks for coming to the UMFA today. We hope you felt welcome. It's important to us that all of our visitors feel welcome, no matter their age, ability, knowledge of art, background, race, sexual preference, or gender identity. Thanks for sharing this sign—we're proud of it.

My follow up to them in response:

Being proud of shoving neomarxist postmodern cult ideology down the throats of all visitors, is not a good thing.

Women in the women's restrooms, don't have a choice w/this policy which is an affront to 1.2 billion years of evolutionary history and basic human biology.

The University of Utah and therefore the State of Utah, cannot declare by fiat utter lies about human nature, human evolution, and basic biological facts.

Humans are a gender binary species, period. And men, any men, do not belong in the women's restrooms.

A risky atmosphere, for women and girls.

Pro true rape culture.

If you must have a room for the gender dysphoric, make it single tenant.

Your post is a middle finger to all sane people within Utah.

No tax money to support the neomarxist postmodernist cult.

Copy of an email I've sent to my elected state representatives:

It's not up to an art museum, an art department, art graduates, the University of Utah, or the State of Utah to unilaterally decide they can alter biological & evolutionary facts, unilaterally change human nature, and reject 1.2 billion years of history. On a main Utah Museum of Fine Arts (UMFA) restroom they have a sign which states the following:

"While building code currently requires gender binary signs on the doors, the UMFA acknowledges that gender is not binary. Please use the restroom that feels most comfortable to you."

The claim that human gender is not binary is an absurd, abusive, and factually incorrect claim.

There is a flavor of neomarxism called social constructivist postmodernism, an ultra leftist ideology which is highly abusive.

I agree with Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Gad Saad that postmodernism is a denialist cult of the left with roots in basic neomarxism.

1.2 billion years of evolutionary history, and basic facts of human nature, versus absurd governmental declarations by the State that gender is not binary.

The postmodern ideology of the social justice warrior (SJW), versus facts and reason.

Yes the cultural left does deny science and history and evolution and facts about human nature and human biology.

The cancer of postmodernism visits UMFA, the University of Utah, and the State of Utah.

Risky pro-rape culture: allowing men into the women's restrooms.

Human gender is binary.

Their sign is a lie.

Having the State of Utah make such claims via the University of Utah is outrageous.

I don't want my tax money going to support neomarxist postmodern lies.

Women in the women's restrooms, don't have a choice with this policy which is an affront to the integrity and safety of women and girls, and also to our very key nature as humans.

The University of Utah and therefore the State of Utah, cannot declare by fiat utter lies about human nature, human evolution, and basic biological facts.

Humans are a gender binary species, period. And men, any men, do not belong in the women's restrooms.

A risky atmosphere, for women and girls.

Pro true rape culture.

If they must have a room for the gender dysphoric, make it single tenant.

The UMFA sign in question is a middle finger to all sane people within Utah. And yes this is about a cultural war, in this case a battle between anti-science anti-reason virtue-signaling SJW leftists, and women and girls who deserve better.

What choice are women and girls given to in this case to not have men in their restrooms? None.

Truly-female children and truly-female adults deserve better, from the UMFA, the University of Utah, and the State of Utah.

Again it's not the place of art graduates, an art department, the University of Utah, or the State of Utah, to deny 1.2 billion years of our own evolutionary history and basic human nature.

Big brains can produce the mental illness of gender dysphoria. That doesn't mean we cease being a gender binary species.

Gender is binary in the human animal.

Please have the referenced sign removed at the State of Utah University of Utah museum known as the Utah Museum of Fine Arts.

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Description of new Facebook page created about this issue, created primarily because the UMFA has blocked me from posting comments on their facebook page in violation of the First Amendment:

The Utah Museum of Fine Arts is an unsafe environment for women and girls.

If you're a female you have ZERO CHOICE regarding whether men can spy on you while you use the restroom at UMFA. Zero, choice.

Also the UMFA claims that humans are not gender binary, which is historically, evolutionarily, and factually absurd. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species period.

What's really at play here is the cancer of neomarxist postmodernism and social justice warriorism (SJWism) creating an atmosphere where UMFA managers feed they must virtue signal. But their virtue signally is not only absurd it's also abusive.

1.2 billion years of evolutionary history and facts about human nature, versus postmodernist utter lies and abuse.

The UMFA is actively censoring posts about this topic on their own page, in violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution - the Redress of Grievances. UMFA is a public museum and is part of the State of Utah.

Related links:
'Lives and families are destroyed by Tranny and Gay acceptance and promotion - LGBT abusive outliers are not equal'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/07/lives-and-families-are-destroyed-by.html

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species, by Dr. Gad Saad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYBG66YEs4

More from Dr. Saad: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201212/sex-specific-toy-preferences-learned-or-innate

'Jordan Peterson - Equality Amplifies Gender Differences'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUxY_5-N81Q

More from Dr. Jordan B. Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYtzFBI-INU

'Transgenderism Has No Basis in Science or Law'
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/01/16143/

'National Geographic's "Gender Revolution": Bad Argument and Biased Ideology'
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/01/18491/

An unfortunately-gender-dysphoric person (Blaire White) speaks about how gender is not a social construct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9WqfBDjRF8

Ben Shapiro on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Utah-Museum-of-Fine-Arts-is-Unsafe-For-Women-and-Girls-519332035083387/

The Western Enlightenment versus Democrat leftist slavery

The Western Enlightenment versus Democrat leftist slavery:

Lies underpin rackets. The racket of the Democrat party for example.

The social justice warriors sit in their meeting houses (such as at Unitarian Universalist churches). They dream of who can be the top level victim next.

1. Muslims, and especially hijab/burqa wearing Saudi style Muslims.
2. "Childfree" third wave feminists with blue hair.
3. The gender dysphoric (transexuals).
4. The sexual orientation dysphoric (aka gays).
5. Mexicans.
6. 'Native' Americans AKA Amerindians.
7. Leftist black women.
8. Leftist black men.
9. Leftist white women.
10. Conservative black women.
11. Conservative black men.
12. Asian men & women.
13. Conservative white women.
14. Leftist white men.
15. Conservative white men.
16. Ex-Muslims.

It's a victimhood competition.

The only way for a pink skin (ie: white), to move up the list is to either a.) become Muslim, or b.) deny your 1.2 billion year evolved DNA coded gender, or c.) engage in the lie first hand that forcing yourself to (or 'catching' a stupid meme that you should) be a NON-inherently-reproductive outlier.

The left today only wants a diversity regarding superficial traits, but a monoculture regarding social theory - only their theory allowed.

The meme set known as the Democrat Party is responsible for slavery and booting Amerindians off of their land.

Vid to check 1: https://youtu.be/-SStdawtYFA

2: https://youtu.be/wp6yf5Rc6vw

As a reflexive naive chump noob atheist I too glommed onto the idea that the Democratic Party was for the common man and 'individual rights.'

But the right to do what?Historically: the right to be a slave or a master. The right to be lighter skinned, vs the right to be booted off of your land. The right to have your ancestors be from Europe, versus the right to have ancestors from Japan thereby resulting in your internment.

And today, the right to be a happy heathy normal female and male in a family with children, versus the right to be an abusive denialist unhappy suicidal forced outlier.

The right to be the master of your destiny, versus the right to be a slave in a current urban Democrat Plantation.

The right to be born once conceived, versus the right to he killed via a Margaret Sanger poor and black people hating eugenicist legacy group.

The right to be true to your heritage as a 1.2 billion year sexual history sexually dimorphic animal - one who's been to the moon and who crafted the best meme sets which help humans thrive: the Enlightenment and America. Versus the right to be a moron chump who believes a pack a lies so that a sociopathic elite can skate on top of your labor and support via indentitarian virtue signaling and having group rights versus individual rights.

I now choose to be with the moon walking people versus the belly button staring slaves.

Ultra-leftists force women to use the men's restroom at UMOCA

Utah first? Opposites attract? In the shadow of the Temple the Utah Museum of Contemporary Art forces women to use the men's - since both restrooms are now man-welcome.

Not just femmy men. Not just Bruce Jenner deranged gender dysphoric  messed up men. All men - can use both restrooms at UMOCA, and so women have no choice but to watch men use the restroom and to allow easy access to their restroom activities.

Ultra-right wing Mormons spawn and attract ultra-left wing abusively permissive moronic dogmatic Stonewall-agenda leftist fascists.

Strange but true. Welcome to Salt Lake City. The shadow of Stonewall is higher than the shadow of the Mormon Temple. Is that a good thing?

Ask a socially conservative atheist woman from rural China with zero connection to the Bible and Book of Mormon: It's a genuinely dangerous and stupid and abusive idea to have mandatorily all-gender and all-outlier crazy dysphoric fool welcoming restrooms.

I love rebellious cutting edge art. I love pissing off Puritans and ultra-leftists alike.

But look: outliers exist. Dangerous predatory men exist. Women and girls need protection from such men, period.

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August 2017 addendum, video commentary:

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0OSXtiO6eU

Humans are not Bonobos - Response to Darrel Ray and his brand of so-called Secular Sexuality - Commentary about abusive leftist confusion regarding human nature, and the evolutionary roots and benefits of some degree of sexual shame.

Humans are not Bonobos.

A response to Darrel Ray and his brand of so-called "Secular Sexuality."

  Commentary about abusive leftist confusion regarding human nature, and the evolutionary roots and benefits of some degree of sexual shame.  

https://youtu.be/hn-68nJBLF8

Ultra-leftist type, and Darrel Ray's own, "sexuality" are apparently assumed by Ray and his followers as being The definition of Secular Sexuality: It or they are Not.


Yes I celebrate the joys of sex.

(by Michael Zichy)
But it's worth noting exactly why sex exists in the first place: To produce children, and pair bonding to support them after they're born.

A copy of comments I've transmitted to Darrel Ray, via his Secular Sexuality Podcast FB page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrel_Ray
https://www.facebook.com/DrRayLifeCoach

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For Darrel Ray:

You've been very verbose with your efforts to date, so I've opted for a verbose response.

A great crusade has been launched and is ongoing. But here's my take on your whole effort:

I agree that the "addiction" paradigm regarding sexuality is inherently abusive.

A better view would be this: Our brains were set up by evolution via natural selection to be "addicted" to certain activities, and that's a damn good thing, otherwise we probably wouldn't be alive today.

Drugs can hijack that built in system.

People try and make money off of selling sex as a means of hijacking our evolutionary-"designed"-sexual-system.

When people leave conservative religions they can jump to the complete opposite side of things, and can go right off a cliff.

I agree with a fair amount of what you say. But I think you have gone off the deep end yourself, by reportedly being a "polyamory" type person and advocate.

Within the context of the incredibly toxic way rightist religion shames regarding sex, it's very understandable why some people find it necessary to maintain high value with letting it all hang out. But there are some fully natural & reasonable reasons why religions have codes of conduct regarding sex.

A damn hard thing for an ex-religionist to admit.

Yes the ultra-right goes too far (too much shame), but so does the ultra-left in their own way (too little shame, and not recognizing how there's fully natural & reasonable value to ideals like monogamy, fidelity, and working to direct your sexual energy into productive activities eg. dating & inherently reproductive marriage as opposed to not).

People can be and are victims of the ultra-left (which they jump to and glom onto after being ultra-right).

I was raised a Mormon. After leaving Mormonism I became an ultra-leftist. I spent several years wading in the swimming pool of the left. Now I'm married to a socially-moderate-to-conservative atheist from China, a woman with zero connection to the Bible, Quran, or Book of Mormon. Where did her social-conservatism come from? Joseph Smith? Mohamed? The Pope? No. It came from her humanity, and culture is inseparable from biology & evolution.

Daniel Dennett's dangerous idea is that religion is a natural phenomenon. This fact cuts several ways. Yes it shows that religion is not "divine," but it also shows that it's very human.

Fully natural evolved codes of conduct do exist within religion. Dismissing all those codes simply because there's a charismatic charlatan as a leader of a given religion is premature. The codes themselves can have some very good reasons for existing. Yes, some bad, but also some good.

So what to do as a person who's very angry at the abuses of conservative religion regarding sexuality? Completely rebel? Proclaim that full sexual freedom is best? No. You're setting yourself and others up for failure if this is the route you take and/or advocate.

Like it or not shame evolved as a useful tool of protection within the human animal.

Regarding the DSM-IV: Whatever happens to be written inside books of this nature isn't "science." Psychology is not really a true science as such. There's huge leftist cultural confirmation bias going in within groups like the APA. Examples? Google for them yourself, but suffice it to say that the cultural left does not have all the answers.

Yes Mr. Ray I loath and hate Spencer Kimball & Boyd Packer & Joseph Smith & Mohamed. But on the other hand, my own wife is a sort of "control" for what humans do when they're *not* exposed to Abrahamic faith.

Also the left's fear of "patriarchy" is dogmatically misplaced misdirected abusive anger in and of itself.

Additional thoughts for your reference:

Repackaged bullshit: Porn The New Tobacco | Jack Fischer | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/08/repackaged-bullshit-porn-new-tobacco.html

Lives and families are destroyed by Tranny and Gay acceptance and promotion - LGBT abusive outliers are not equal
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/07/lives-and-families-are-destroyed-by.html

Comments in response to the general Mormon stance on marriage
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/02/comments-in-response-to-general-mormon.html

Latest thoughts on the pressing issues of the day
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/02/latest-thoughts-on-pressing-issues-of.html

John Harvey Kellogg: what a fucker. Masturbation prevention is evil.
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/10/john-harvey-kellogg-what-fucker.html

Embracing true honest naturalism: Marriage is about children
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/embracing-true-honest-naturalism.html

Are Mormonism & Catholicism homosexual & pedophile generators? | Connections between homosexuality & pedophilia
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/are-mormonism-catholicism-homosexual_24.html

The Atheist Movement needs move laxative - Making room for social & political conservatives!
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-atheist-movement-needs-move.html

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So I agree with a fair amount of your work, but I strongly disagree with the current lengths to which you take it: an apparent de facto advocacy for a level of human promiscuity which is in and of itself inherently abusive. Not because the Bible tells us so, but because human nature and human sexual history tells us so. Infidelity destroys families, because of how human nature is set up, not because a-hole Spencer Kimball thought it was a good idea.

Thanks be to Thomas Rowlandson, and Mihály Zichy, and films like the Good Old Naughty Days, yes I agree with that. On the other hand there's some damn good reasons to be faithful to one's wife, and to value inherently reproductive marriage & monogamy & families & life, and to be highly skeptical of abusive humans who want to sell sex for money & so on - to yes hijack our evolutionary evolved sexual systems for their own ends. So this is all a balancing act between both sides IMO.

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I received a few snotty responses from an operator of the FB in question, and from one other guy. Here's quotes of my responses. The page operator deleted some of my replies & the replies of others. Fortunately I made copies before they could click delete.

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Additional note sent to the guy;

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Humans gets to make rules to help quell destructive behaviors.

There's better and more productive activities than porn and harlotry that humans can and do engage in.

You've set yourself up as a sort of prophet, imposing your own brand of overly permissive sexuality as *the* secular sexuality. It ain't.

What you're peddling really is an infantile flavor: the initially and understandably rebellious flavor.

After the 60s comes the 70s hangover. And lives are destroyed via too much permissiveness.

It ain't a religion thing. It's a human nature thing.

Science and skepticism are not present in your endeavors.============== comment 2:

How about a podcast that's more along the lines of honest science and true honest skepticism?

Can we be skeptical about the value of the porn industry, and about all things "sex positive?"

Here's my question:

"Do you think selling sexuality and selling your body as a deceptive lie is helpful to society, or an inherent abuse?"

The assumption that being a secular who's sexual must mean all porn is good, and that monogamy is inherently bad, is a very misguided and very-unscientific non-skeptical assumption.

Science requires a crucible. Your requirement of having questions which "...must be sex positive..." disallows honest scientific & skeptical inquiry into the subject.============== comment 3:

Ad hominem fallacy and completely false claims.

I don't need your luck and neither do regular faithful monogamous humans trying to get on with their lives raising productive happy families.

The key touchstones for the rebellious here are harlots of one type or another.

Yes the machinery of evolution produces non-productive outlier activity, but humans are not bonobos.

Lives and families are destroyed via too much permissiveness.

Poly people are being abusive to themselves and others.

The ultra left is no answer to the ultra right.

We, recoverers from religion don't need the abusive non- solutions offered within the chambers of harlots, pornographers, and poly people who're in denial about human nature and the *value* of avoiding destructive outlier type behaviors.

If you or anyone here were interested in science and skepticism you wouldn't be putting all your eggs in the baskets of greedy abusers who're working to hijack our sexual systems to their own ends.

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Follow up thoughts:
Ray has reportedly come out as "polyamorous." Here is a graphical symbol he frequently uses in his conference presentation:

The above symbol is a slightly modified version of the symbol for transgenderism.

Also a brief view of the recent podcasts put on by Ray has swingers, porn stars, and various flavors of other "outlier" groups.

http://secularsexuality.dogmadebate.com/category/health/psychology/

Excerpts from the above site:

SweetWomanDirtyMind blogger – Lisa – talks about transitioning from religious to atheist, from monogamous to kinkster, swinger and sex positive blogger.

Sandra Meade is the host on one of the longest running LGBT shows in the US. She is also an activist for Transgender issues and rights. We discuss a broad range of topics.

Dr. Ray talks with 3 polyamorous people about relationships and jealousy.

And from their FB page:

Secular Sexuality Podcast
October 2 at 8:22am ·

Dear friends of the Secular Sexuality Podcast, on Monday I will be taping an interview with the Internationally known porn star Angela White from Australia. She actually ran for Parliament a few years ago as a member of the Sex Party, a fully recognized political party in Australia, I met the president Fiona Patten, when I was in Australia a few years ago. I want to give my listeners an opportunity to ask a question so here is my offer, if you would like to ask her a question put it in the comments below. I will select one or two questions to ask her, from those submitted. Questions need to be related to the theme of the podcast and must be sex positive. http://angelawhite.com/

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Porn stars, swingers, poly people, so-called transgender people, militant homosexual advocates: The quintessence of ultra-leftist sexuality today.

To Ray and his groupies the absolute quintessence and near utopian stance of human sexuality is represented by what inherently non-reproductive outliers do, and what non-monogamous people do.

They conflate the fact that humans share a common ancestor with Bonobos with what human nature is.

They conflate what humans do (cheat), with what humans need to do to have happy families (not cheat)!

They conflate and mix up their own desires to rebel against ultra-right religion, their chosen-ultra-rebellious flavor of sexuality, with what normal healthy thriving happy human sexuality is.

I fully agree with this article:

Transgenderism: A Pathogenic Meme
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

Permissive relativist liberalism destroys families and lives.

Jumping from the ultra-right to the ultra-left can result in the destruction of your family (via cheating, betrayal, and via deadly STDs).

Polyamory advocates are in denial about human nature. The answer to the ultra-right is not dismissing all sexual shame, rather it's putting that shame within context: the biological and evolutionary context.

There are damn good reasons for sexual shame: family stability, child support, happiness, progress, growth. Shaming for destructive abusive dead end outlier behaviors, all that shame has some very reasonable evolutionary roots.

All this is completely lost on Ray in my view.

Polyamory (eg: swinging - sex with multiple partners openly simultaneously) is an inherent abusive, upon those who practice it and the people who're connected to the people who practice it. Children raised in such groupings will end up being abused, by default.

Homosexuality (and gender confusion AKA transgenderism) happen naturally because of how the machinery of evolution by natural sexual selection works, and how sex gets set up in us. Doesn't mean being gay is "preferred" or selected for in any way! It just means that outliers "happen" within the context of the currently-operating machinery of evolution.

Homosexuals and transgender (gender confused /deluded) people have no more right to access to raising children than do animals of a completely different species. Outliers are outliers. But most children are not outliers, and so most children need a mommy and a daddy.

Daniel Dennett's dangerous idea, that religion is a natural phenomenon, cuts several ways as I've noted. Fully natural and highly useful human moral codes exist and are couched within religion. Simply because there are no mystical gods as such doesn't mean natural human moral codes are bogus! This is another key point completely lost on people like Ray and his ultra-leftist followers.

People exposed to the abuses of Mormonism and other conservite religions do have an axe to grind, and for good reason. Yes hard-line rebellion is understandable, but it's not an answer in the end.

Why do humans do what they do? That's a key question. And Darrel Ray does not appear to know any of the proper answers.

On his podcast he states that questions must be "sex positive." That phrase is code for open and ready acceptance of the abusively-permissive flavor of leftist relativist abnormal outlier-embracing sexuality, in other words sexuality which destroys families and lives, and which also is a de facto death cult.

All these people, the poly people, the tranny people, the gay people, the "childfree" people, oh and the pedophile people, the confessed sexual proclivities of all these groups exists because of how evolution by natural selection works. Doesn't mean we shouldn't lock up for life and execute all pedophiles, rather the same way we put down mad dogs. Doesn't mean the "sexuality' of the other groups mentioned must be declared as being equal to normal inherently-reproductive human sexuality.

Sex exists for one reason only: Reproduction. That's it. There is some "spill over" which results, but the spill over effects are N-O-T being selected for by the process of evolution. How can they be? Non-reproductive spill over effects most likely cannot be selected for!

So play while you can. Embrace your inner "you" by doing all the selfish dangerous abusive permissive destructive stuff you can with your sexual organs, but in the end there's really only one useful thing you can ever do with them: make babies. That's it. Don't like that fact? Tough.

Having my cake and eating it too.

How can a ex-Mormon be in favor of more conservative (family focused) forms of sexuality, and still also be an advocate for having adult humans being exposed to more honest expressions of what some would call "porn?"

There is joy in sex and we should realize why that joy is there, and where that joy comes from: from evolution and solely because of reproduction and sexual selection.

Porn 1.0 is based mostly on lies and harlotry.

Porn 2.0 allows for organic expressions via couples and individuals showing their sexuality to other adults. But Porn 2.0 is surrounded by and supported by porn 1.0 abusiveness.

Porn 3.0 could perhaps be a porn 2.0 which is not supported by or surrounded by the abusive money grubbing whorishness and lies of porn 1.0.

What would be some examples of Porn 3.0? Perhaps fine art which accurately depicts sexuality. Perhaps films which depict it, where such films are not being sold within the crass lying money grubbing hijacking porn 1.0 context.

I do think it's important that humans be able to learn about sex, and even be able to revel in it's joys and intricacies and power - but they should and must never forget why sex exists in the first place.

Just because humans shared a common ancestor with Bonobos doesn't mean we can be Bonobos ourselves, not without destroying the lives of our fellow humans and not without destroying our own lives.

Ultra-right religion helps push people to the ultra-left, and by so doing it's acting to abuse people further: because within the ultra-left people learn even more lies about human sexuality and they are foolishly taught on the left that "anything goes," when it does not.

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Additional thoughts:

Embracing true honest naturalism: Marriage is about children
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/embracing-true-honest-naturalism.html

Lives and families are destroyed by Tranny and Gay acceptance and promotion - LGBT abusive outliers are not equal

Tranny culture RUINS lives and families
LGBT outliers are not equal

 (YouTube banned this video four years after it was posted, so I put it on BitChute. Hey Google & Youtube: Fuck you.)

  


Youtube banned link:  Tranny culture RUINS lives and families - LGBT outliers are not equal

https://youtu.be/YWPnt9-Urzk

Start with 8 (children), as an ultra-hard-line Mormon family.

Later 3 get sucked into a man-hating crazy-woman-led cult. The 3 all change their last names to that of the cult leader (the Cropper cult of Logan, Utah). 1 of the 3 Cropper cult converts later decides he's gay, while still working at BYU.

More recently 1 of the 8 decides to "change" from a man to a woman (not a Cropper cult 3, but another of the 8), leaving his children homeless and a broken home.

1 commits suicide (also separate from the 3 Cropper cult ones - probably because of irritable bowel syndrome in part, and who knows why else).

What are the causes? Why all this chaos in an ultra-right ultra-hard-line Mormon family?

Here's some theories:

A. Too much cheap ground beef as a child, and too much rice and beans? Cheapy poor-person possibly-third-world style nutrition as children, for all 8.

B. Parents too strict ultra Mormon. Father very angry and sometimes violent. Mother extreme passive aggressive my way or the highway type person re being a strict Mormon.

C. Related past thoughts:

Are Mormonism & Catholicism homosexual & pedophile generators? | Connections between homosexuality & pedophilia
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/are-mormonism-catholicism-homosexual_24.html

D. An omnipresent abusive leftist permissive culture which claims "anything goes," when it doesn't?

Related thoughts:

Advice for Social Conservatives & Moderates, from a Family Values Atheist
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/advice-for-social-conservatives.html

Embracing true honest naturalism: Marriage is about children
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/embracing-true-honest-naturalism.html

E. Ultra-rightist cults can spawn new sub-cults. A woman named Cropper in Logan, Utah started.a sub-cult branched from ultra Mormonism. She hates men and does laying on of hands, and has visions where she tell her adherents that all men are evil.

Three of my brother's children were sucked into this strange sub-cult in Logan. They all changed their last names to Cropper, and they now have zero contact with my brother or anyone in my "normal" regular family.

F. Ultra-right religion can cause a worse abuse when a child or adult rebels and becomes a permissive relativist ultra leftist.

See item C for more details.

G. Memetic diseases of the left can at times be more abusive and destructive than those of the right.

Families and lives are destroyed by leftist meme sets.

H. To have all this chaos, my ultra extreme angry passive and non-passive aggressive (sometimes violent) brother and his wife have set up a meat grinder somehow. Many of their children have been fucked up and damaged by the "my way or the highway" type of upbringing.

But on the other hand permissive relativist liberalism is also a meat grinder.

In the past I had a gay uncle who turned his back on his straight family, and he died of AIDS as a result. He was a victim of both the extreme right and the extreme left.

http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/gay

So with the latest news that one nephew of mine just destroyed his family because he's chosen to "change" his sex: this man IS a fucking victim of moronic leftist culture which claims that whatever damn fool thing pops into your head should be acted upon.

A marriage and family, destroyed.

Two wonderful little girls, ages 4 and 1, out on the street.

Permissive gay and tranny accepting leftist culture IS to blame for this! But so are his  my way or the highway parents, AS IS anti-heathy-sex Mormonism.

Related thoughts:
Jesus wants me for an asshole: the song of LDS missionaries, bishops, and prophets
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/jesus-wants-me-for-asshole-song-of-lds.html

Open ended acceptance of all things ，LGBT results in the destruction of lives! Bruce Jenner for example is a moron who's also a victim of permissive leftistism.

My uncle who jumped from ultra conservative Manti, Utah style Mormonism  to San Francisco put your John Thomas in a glory hole liberalism was a fool and a victim of both the left and the right.

My longer standing pedophile-friend-accepting gay nephew is s victim of the anti-masturbation anti-positive sex Mormonism, AND permissive leftistism.

My newly transgender nephew and his children and his now destroyed family are victims of the meat grinder nature of his patents' ultra conservative strict angry violent Mormonism, and also of permissive relativist leftistism.

Lives are destroyed by ultra rightism and ultra leftistism. A ping pong game that grinds people down to dust.

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Additional:

'Where does social conservatism come from? From human nature.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/11/where-does-social-conservatism-come.html

'Embracing true honest naturalism: Marriage is about children'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/embracing-true-honest-naturalism.html

'Banned from a conservative atheists facebook group: conservatives who aren't conservative.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/08/banned-from-conservative-atheists.html