Conservative Naturalism. Make some room please, in the universe of ideas.
[Collections of several recent posts from the past couple of days, advocating for the value of conservative naturalism.]
Here's one prime example of why the "secular left" is no solution or answer to the religious right:
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-comments-pz-myers-doesnt-want-you-to-see/
P.Z. Myers. What a bummer.
No easy solution or social group to associate with after leaving Mormonism.
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I question liberal dogma.
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/08/family-values-atheism-questioning.html
Can we find a cure?
http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/a-gay-germ-is-homophobia-a-clue/
...to the LDC?
Time will tell, as will reproduction.
Who will care that you were alive, in 100 years?
If you're straight, have some kids. Write a book. Create some good art or science!
If you're gay, devote your life to service oriented pursuits, helping everyone especially the crazy straights who happen to value reproduction (god fucking forbid!). Create, if you can, some damn good art that amuses & provokes both gay & straight people, and which annoys people also. Annoyance is the key to good art - both straight and gay. The more annoying the better. This advise holds for both straight & gay artists.
Try to help your kids learn about the value of science, so that we can help the garden we've been given survive.
Survival is the bottom line.
Sex is set up in humans to be selfish - WISELY selfish.
If we AREN'T sucked into kid stuff, it's EASY to lead a petty dead end life, straight or gay.
Dunk straight aunt with no kids, who used to call my father while drunk all the time?
A zero on the Great Mandala.
Angel Reading Gay Nephew with a convicted pedo for a friend, nephew who spends his life posting near naked photos on FB?
Mostly a zero on the Great Mandala.
Service oriented gay guy who helps us with we go on vacation, and who has a highly service oriented career.
A reasonable place on the Mandala tapestry.
Stephen Fry & Oscar Wilde - mostly reasonable places from what I can tell so far.
Roman Polanski, should have his placed burned off the Mandala.
Joseph Smith also.
David Koresh also, and Jim Jones. Should be wiped CLEAN from the cloth.
What will your contribution be?
There are conservative fully naturalistic reasons to be concerned about birth control, sperm banks, and the forced equivalence of gay marriage & adoption.
If all respondents have in their tool box are ad hominem attacks, I'm acutely uninterested in those types of responses.
If you can change my mind, then change it. Otherwise, if I'm annoying, too bad. I'll still be on the net transmitting. Whether you listen or not is your choice. I just advocate that you find some useful place on the tapestry before your little tiny chance is gone.
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Political history:
Dad liberal. He was always upset w/conservative stance of most Mormons.
I voted democrat while Mormon, and after leaving their church.
Went on an Alice in wonderland style journey after leaving.
Checked out nudists, polys, Portland sex party people, gay bars and parties.
Finally got married to a down to Earth socially moderate woman from China. She's atheist.
One kid. Another on the way.
Still like social welfare politically (Obamacare - w/a pref. for single payer),
Ayn Rand was an idiot who knew nothing about human nature. On the other hand Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist.
Perhaps like the South Park guys I hate conservatives, but I hate liberals even more. However I'm not libertarian, nor do I have "everything should be forcibly equal" gay colored glasses on.
I'm a truth and survival advocate. I care more about the truth (and general human survival) than group memberships or sucking up to any one group leader.
Perhaps I am following in the footsteps of my rebel father to some extent. But I also highly value the life work of people like Christopher Hitchens, Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, and Carl Sagan.
I don't have empathy for wastrels. Take your place on the tapestry of life if and how you can, and while you have a chance.
I'm not a gaybot (similar to a mobot, but more gay).
Hey in a democracy in theory the people get to decide - except when naive judges take away our rights.
I know it's a balancing act between inherent rights and not. But until parthenogenesis is a natural reality, not everything will be equal.
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Knock knock knock on the sperm bank door - the anxious lesbians wait outside. Non married to a person of the opposite sex women probably should be denied sperm from strange buildings such as those.
I can see why the religious right are upset. I'm not for a gay "marriage" ban. More for an alliance that promotes straight family life. The gays can do the interior decorating. That's ok. But regular natural families should be our top priority. Not STFU Parents woman on Jian G's show.
Where's the socially conservative gays? Somewhere with the log cabin group?
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Reach into the tool box of meme set defense mechanisms. Pull out one tool, after another, after another, after another.
Down deep in your meme set defense bag is the more heavy hammer & sharper instruments.
But, mostly what you've got so far is one logical fallacy, after another, after another. Smoke. Refusing to read what the other person says, or lazy name calling.
No wonder Mormons & other conservative religionists are wary of the other side. Wary for many reasons. And, regarding some of those reasons, I don't blame them!
They should fear for the safety of their children. Quite true. If your children get sucked into the "loving" arms of the LDC, they could well get AIDS or some other STD, become a druggie, "choose" to not have kids because of LDC ideology at school, "choose" to become gay or a mixed-sex freak, become destructive in other ways, etc.
Don't get an STD (sexually transmitted disease) or an MTD (memetically transmitted disease) by putting your willie into the glory hole of the left - it's no panacea.
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What's the balance between straight marriage, straight family life, and not?
13.8 billion years to 10 years.
10 years or so of lesbians knocking, knocking, knocking on the sperm bank door.
13.8 billion where a woman had to find a man and vice versa.
Quite a comparison.
Liberal denial of human nature, and our long history.
Traitors to their 13.8 billion year history. A repugnant death cult. THIS is liberalism for you TODAY!
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[Responding to a post by one man who is exhibiting traits of currently being held down by LDC ideology:]
Slow motion suicide, helping rob YOU of a place on the tapestry of life:
"...there are perhaps other reasons why homosexual behavior may be increasingly cropping up in human and other species. There is a certain 'carrying load' of animal species and homosexuality may actually be nature's way of bringing things back into balance."
"Humanity is in no danger of dying out from lack of reproduction. It may be seriously endangering itself though, through overpopulation. Personally, those who are hysterical about the 'gay agenda' are simply fear-mongering in order to exert social control over a behavior that they find...icky? I have many gay friends. Their agenda is quite simply. To enjoy the same legal protections in their relationships that heterosexuals enjoy. That is the sum total of their agenda."
"To assume that procreation is the only societally building relationship ignores all of the couples who are for one reason or another unable to procreate. The argument that homosexual relationships are unproductive are meritless since there are millions of gay people who are functioning and productive members of society."Responses to the above LDC meme set collection expression:
1. Your answer proves my point. To support the equivalence of "gay marriage" you MUST advocate that most people NOT have children. You must advocate for the value of childless marriage - and that such a state may actually be good. Slow motion suicide. A death cult. No other words for it.
These people have a point:
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/
and http://overpopulationisamyth.com/category/categories/pop101
Lurking behind LDC dogma are things like China's mandatory one child policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
Totalitarian eugenics.
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/03/margaret-sanger-also-amoral-fuck.html
and
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/Margaret%20Sanger
An ideology of death, for the individual, and for society. The only fools who are listening are the liberals. Suicide for their own culture. Perhaps that's not so bad?
People WILL ignore you! They are ignoring you! They will continue to ignore you! Thank goodness!
Take your place on the Great Mandala, or Not!. It's up to you! I just advocate that you do. Don't allow yourself to be robbed of life & key foundational life experiences by LDC dogma!
2. Meritless?
False equivalences are the meritless, dangerous, destructive doctrinal points of the left.
Hey, I'm quite familiar with the dogma of the LDC. I've seen it first hand. My sister is a victim. My gay nephew is one. You are probably one too. I ask that you not be.
13.8 billion years. To 10. 13.8 billion years. To 10. Quite a ratio.
Traitors to life & to your own history.
"Carrying load" - may as well commit suicide now. Too many people? Let's be childfree.
May as well commit suicide. Hey, if your choice holds, the net-result will be pretty much the same.
But please DON'T! Have a kid if you can, using good old fashioned reproduction! And if you cannot, then help support those who do! Don't be a traitor to your own history.
Conservative naturalism. Advocacy for life. Honoring our true history, as 13.8 billion year evolved highly intelligent sexual animals. But sometimes our neural networks can send us right off the fucking rails and into a ditch. The LDC is one such ditch.
Please avoid it. Embrace life. Is that too much to ask?
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Further liberal-meme-set expression posted:
"A.) Homosexuality is not maladaptive to psychosocial health. B.) There is no evidence that allowing gays to marry increases rates of homosexual behavior. In short, allowing gays and lesbians to marry the person they love will have no statistically significant negative impact on individuals or society as a whole."My response:
A. Tell that to the people robbed of their place on the tapestry of life by LDC ideology.
B. Are we sure? The endeavor of science cannot yet be trusted on the question, because of the strong bias against a non-PC non-LDC honest answer from science.
No impact? Unless it does. Straightness is not honored in such a household. An imposition of destructive LDC ideology is by default imposed on the kid. Child abuse to grow up in such a household. More ready exposure to "gay culture."
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/08/response-to-site-claims-attack-by-lds.html
A betrayal of basic human nature.
13.8 billion years. 10 years.
13.8 billion years. 10 years.
13.8 billion years. 10 years.
LDC denial of basic human nature.
What if a child needs a mommy & a daddy - by their very nature?
Can an LDC-member "scientist" ask this question?
Is the "right" right? Can you ask, as a true honest scientist?
Not easily.
Not and keep your current friend circle.
The Stonewall warriors are there, waiting to POUNCE on anyone who questions their dogma & agenda.
It's a war. And war is no time for science to inconveniently show that the leftist side may be wrong - wrong in ANY way.
Not science.
A betrayal of natural history.
A preference for slow-motion suicide.
A death cult.
