The de facto religions of the left, and the charlatan leaders of these cults, want your money.
The Clintons
Al Gore
Al Sharpton
Climate Change Hysterical Whores
The Stonewall Warriors and the Outlier-Rights whore groups
Planned Parenthood systematic poor & black person killing org.
All these virtue signalling leftist cult leaders & charlatan groups, want your money.
Historically religious charlatans would set up tents, and they'd say to the assembled crowd: "I am the most moral, give me your money."
Virtue signalling as a means of enhancing cash flow.
Yes there is good human morality. But the cultural left shows they have zero association with good morality.
For years virtue signalling leftists essentially sucked the John Thomas of rapist Bill Clinton.
Then Friend of Bill Al Gore found a way to use his own type of charlatanry as a means of getting cash.
While leftists support the 'right' to be a non-reproductive outlier, and to have such outliers shove their own implements right down the mouths of the normal inherently-reproductive people, well they also want cash in association with their lying cheating virtue signalling. Normal women & girls & families, to the f-ing back of the bus with these wastrels.
Redpill, from charlatans who want your money, and who use moralistic virtue signalling as a means of getting cash.
Yes there's good human morality, and that morality indicates that calling out f-ing cheaters is a damn useful activity.
'Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. Also to: The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these.' http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/09/leftist-atheists-want-into-your-bedroom.html
Redpill and recover from the violent fascist marxist left. I redpilled from Clinton appreciation, from Obama appreciation, and from being a Democrat. Now I'm essentially a socially conservative small L libertarian. A pragmatic pro-freedom truth teller.
Choose Life.
Choose, to have a family, the 1.2 billion year evolved kind.
Choose, to be the master of your own destiny rather than to rely on the mommy & daddy socialist-ponzi-scheme State.
Call out, liars and cheaters.
Choose Life instead!
Promote, the value of the Western Enlightenment project, of which America is the best and most faithful example.
Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. This fact is completely and utterly lost on atheists who are much more concerned with pushing abusively-permissive social-leftism than in being honest about religion.
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom and your bathroom - far more than the right. 'New Atheists' advocate for abusive-permissiveness, and for the mandatory forced-outlier-acceptance, of neomarxist postmodernist social leftism.
Abuses of the ultra-right, generate reactionary ultra-leftists.
When I was a Mormon I found that the ultra-right is very interested in what happens in bedrooms. The Mormon Church does go too far, via claiming that masturbation can readily lead to homosexuality, and that oral sex is bad. They also go too far via constant interrogations regarding sex. They push people, right over the edge and into the hands of abusively permissive reactionary ultra-leftists.
Islam of course goes much further in the abusive-shaming direction, with death penalties for going unveiled or alone on the street if you're a woman and so on.
Thus the ultra-right is interested in what happens in our bedrooms. But, so is the ultra-left.
With the cultural right, there's a great advocacy for having children and for normal family values.
With the cultural left, they claim that non-reproductive outlierism is the pinnacle of human achievement, and there is great advocacy for the exact opposite of family values.
Forced non-reproductive outlierism is not the touchstone upon which 100,000 years of human evolutionary history is based. Leftist atheists see not having children as being the highest moral & social value & goal.
Leftist atheists essentially ask: 'What type of non-reproductive outlier can you come out as! Choose, so you can get a gold star on your forehead, and rise up on the racist bigoted group rights group blames hierarchy of the left.'
The 'new atheists' / leftist atheists want an utter rejection of social conservatism. They lump in social conservatism with the derogatory label of "theocracy." The New Atheists fail to see how religions couch evolved traits.
Under the thin veneer of mysticism, some damn useful evolved human values are present.
Examples:
1. Pro-reproduction. 2. Pro-Family. 3. Pro-Children. 4. Pro-Life. 5. Pro-Good-Tradition. 6. Pro avoiding destructive dead end and suicidal behaviors.
Leftists in our bedrooms and bathrooms.
The people who want to get into my bedroom and bathroom most these days, are on the cultural left. Gender non-binarity and 'trans' bullshit: allowing mentally ill men to forcibly enter the restrooms of women and girls. Brainwashing children regarding gender and "sexual orientation," AKA advocating for both gender-dysphoria and sexual-orientation-dysphoria - and punishing dissenters religious-cult-style with heresy trials, excommunications, oh and the law too where the abusive crazies have their hands on the wheels of power.
Leftist Atheists want to draw my children into a victimhood competition, and one where outlierism is valued above all else.
Leftist eugenicist Margaret Sanger bankrolled both the abattoir of Planned Patenthood and the birth control pill. The latter item has had a nuclear bomb type impact upon humanity, and has left teens and adults not knowing why and how they got here in the first place.
I agree with Jordan Peterson on such fronts, although I arrived at my conclusions before finding Peterson. But he's right.
Leftist Atheists seek to tear evolved social conservatism out from both Christianity and Islam. They are following in the footsteps of a long line reactionary naive denialist fools.
Ultra right.
Ultra left in response.
A ping pong game.
And two sides of the same coin abusive coin.
A more moderate approach is called for.
Fact 1: Yes there's damn good reasons to avoid destructive dead end behaviors.
Fact 2: But if you are too harsh in your approach re fact 1, and if you lie to people about what the consequences are for lower level more harmless behaviors, you will generate reactionary fools in response.
Some people are waking up. Example: Former forced abusive outlier Doug Mainwaring.
There are evolved behaviors which can and do make us happy: family; children; helping our family & children & others; telling the truth about life the universe and everything. Quelling the darker angels of our nature, and also using those darker angels as a power for positive good.
In conclusion, stay out of our bedrooms Mr. & Mrs. & 'It-Outlier' Leftie, with your lies about human nature and about evolution and our evolved nature as sexually-dimorphic gender-binary sexually-reproducing sexual-animals.
Religion couches evolved traits. Live with it. Deal with it. Value it.
And as for the mystical claims, I suggest that a lot of them have, wait for it, evolved value too! Popular stories passed down for damn good reasons, and some of those reasons are damn valuable.
Addendum regarding the Mormon claim that whacking off can make you gay: ---quote begins
Chapter Six
Crime Against Nature
—Their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust
one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly—
— Romans 1:26-27
Youth come into contact early with masturbation. Many would-be authorities declare that it is natural
and acceptable, and frequently young men I interview cite these advocates to justify their practice of it.
To this we must respond that the world's norms in many areas-drinking, smoking, and sex experience
generally, to mention only a few-depart increasingly from God's law. The Church has a different, higher
norm.
Thus prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is
detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward
godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man
should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice.
While we should not regard this weakness as the heinous sin which some other sexual practices are, it is
of itself bad enough to require sincere repentance. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even
to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-
practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality.
---from 'Miracle of Forgiveness' (what a bullshit title), by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball.
https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
Response:
What
Mormons do to their children and adults on the above front, with
interrogations and grilling regarding normal coming of age activities,
does push many to be forced abusive outliers. From the Mormon Temple to
the local Stonewall Center. This is the common & normal path for
children & adults so abused. Two sides of the same coin.
With
such harshness, the Mormons hurt their otherwise worthy goals to help
humans avoid destructive dead end outlier type activities. Also for many
kids in Mormonism, this is their "sex ed," where they learn about
homosexuality first.
Let us agree that there are behaviors which are not helpful and which lead to dead ends.
If we were to take was social conservatives advocate for, and make five word summaries of each, and live by those advocacies, we would all be more happy, more happy naturally as per our evolved natures. This is something both the utlra-right and the ultra-left should make note of.
If you ignore evolved facts, you will pay a price. And if you push to far in the shame direction, you will get very bad reactionary results. Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Stonewall.
Old fart establishment Republicans are against Trump.
Trump wants to do populist trade changes which should make hipster Bern supporters happy.
The more establishment rightists which come out against Trump, the more I realize he must be in.
He's not an Xtian fundie.
He's not a slimy raping (murdering?) Clinton.
And he's got some good big foreign policy balls.
Plus the soldiers like him most. And for flipping once the people who defend America should be given deference on such matters.
Response received:Q: Clinton is raping & worse? Q: Trump has been accused of rape. What about that? Q: Doesn't having big foreign policy balls mean we'll just nuke everyone? My responses:
In any case regarding the Clintons: apply the same moral compass you use for all things leftist. All the things you obsess about, to your current party leaders.
Oh pith. What's a little rape? Well, that's just "natural."
In 1998, I was more of a full-on one. A morbidly obese virgin with no children, living in his parent's basement.
--------------- quote of: September 21, 1998 letter sent to a nephew, quoting from a letter I sent to congress
The more people that do what Ms. Lewinsky & Clinton physically did with each other the better. While I agree that Clinton lying to his wife was probably bad - his responses are to be expected. Why? Because when you force humans into a puritanical culture where their natural inherent proclivities cannot be properly exercised, what else do you expect to happen?
--------------- end of quote of: September 21, 1998 letter sent to a nephew, quoting from a letter I sent to congress
...and the above naive and stupid statement I made back then shows how stupid I was.
Cheating in marriage destroys marriages & families, and ruins childrens' lives. So shaming for cheating is also natural, and that's the type of natural that should take precedence in such cases.
But by 2008, I had wised up a bit:
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May 16, 2008
To the DNC from Jonathan []
Hillary Clinton has on her web site a petition about "counting the votes in Florida and Michigan." These attempts on her part to change the rules of the game are dishonest, unfair, conniving, and not helpful.
The "votes" in Florida and Michigan should >not< count in the primaries. Why? Because Obama promised not to campaign there & Hillary broke her promise. So the "votes" are tainted.
Do not give in to the unfair, conniving, and the end run type of approach Hillary is trying. Obama is the nominee. Period. Move on - and let's now win against McCain.
Sincerely,
Jonathan in Portland, Oregon
----------------------- end of quote of my message to the DNC
A further note for Ms. Clinton:
Your tactics in this campaign have been in the style of Karl Rove and George Bush, and they have been highly disturbing, corrosive, and racist.
Earlier in the race I could have gone either way between yourself & Obama. But your actions these past few months have fully convinced me that Obama is the most suitable President. I frankly feel that you've shown yourself to be unstable, and completely unsuited to the Presidency of my country.
Furthermore, the rose coloring of my proverbial glasses relative to yourself and your husband has now been lifted. When your husband was in office I supported him. Now I feel as if I were hoodwinked.
I know many republicans were disturbed by the actions of your husband when he was in the White House. In those days I supported him and yourself. But after what I've witnessed and learned about these past few months, I can now finally see why so many republicans were upset with you both. And I say this as a person who is politically a United Kingdom style Green.
You've now embraced the "politics of personal destruction" by being an advocate for it. In the past you and your husband rejected this type of politics, supposedly. Now it's your primary modus operandi. So it's sad to see this.
This is an honest message.
Sincerely,
Jonathan in Portland, Oregon
--------------- end of the file: note for Hillary Clinton - may 16, 2008.txt
Now, as a finally married man with kids, I've wised up even more. A man with a wife and kids naturally becomes more socially conservative. I have. That's "my journey." So why do journeys to slow motion suicide (eg: journeys to gayness AKA sexual orientation dysphoria, gay marriage AKA outlier flaky abusive not even a comparison to the real thing "marriage," transgenderism AKA gender dysphoria, abortion, being "childfree," and journeys to death cults like Islam) get to be the ones most honored by leftists, whereas journeys to social conservatism don't? Runs counter to their narrative.
Big balls: You know, like the microscopic ones of Obama compared to Putin. Crimea? Gone. Islamic State? Born & flourishing.
Nuking? I take the neocon view: We'll only nuke as a last resort, or if one of our cities gets nuked.
But the leftist rhetorical pouncing on the nuke option may show a not-so-hidden desire for them to do some nuking of their own: namely those who don't tow the leftist party line. "Hate speech" Crimes into differing categories based on "what was in the mind of the killer" - but such actions lend credence to though crime censorship via having "hate speech" laws and codes. And thus the entire concept of "hate" crime is corrosive to free speech. There's just crime. All crime is "hate crime." Camel nosing in the "mind of the killer" brings in a whole host of freedom-threatening problems. Current leftist hate, hate, hate, freedom of speech & thought. They hate conservatives, family values, and anyone who tells them they're being abusive dickheads for being overly & abusively permissive & relativist. They hate narratives with run counter to their abusively permissive lines of thought.
The Clintons are playing everyone for fools. They know which SJW (social justice warrior) buttons to push. But such pushing no longer works for me.
The establishment Republicans who really want Hillary in, de facto, are showing that voting for Trump is even more important.
Is Trump playing everyone for fools? I don't think so.
Taking into account the totality of reactions from all parties, I find high utilitarian value in a Trump presidency.
Thanks 1.3 billion Chinese, oh and the Black Atheists of Atlanta, and even your average Mexican, for helping me question the leftists who hate "breeders," and life, and who are essentially wastrels part of a destructive death cult.
There's often zero room in your average atheist / humanist / Unitarian Universalist group for people who question the incredibly naive, dangerous, destructive, denialistic, nihilistic, narcissistic, denial of human nature, history, evolutionary biology, and so on, social positions of the left. The leftist death cult. Yes, I'm skeptical of that! Life is more important than these wastrels & their kin. Oh, but wait, they usually don't have children. But breeders will inherit the Earth...
Doesn't mean there is a god. But humanity may not quite be easily readily to go without this fully natural evolutionary trait (religion), like it or not.
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July 2017 addendum:
I'm not longer in the leftist camp at all.
From socialist to very pro-capitalist.
From social leftist to social consevative.
Pro baby killing to pro life (with caveats for incest and rape, and only during very early pregnancy).
Against outlier 'marriage.' Children deserve to be in a normal-for-them environment, one which honors 1.2 billion years of sexual evolutionary history.
When leftists control the government they operate it in such a way which serves to deny their own evolutionary history and nature.
If you're straight, have some kids. Write a book. Create some good art or science!
If you're gay, devote your life to service oriented pursuits, helping everyone especially the crazy straights who happen to value reproduction (god fucking forbid!). Create, if you can, some damn good art that amuses & provokes both gay & straight people, and which annoys people also. Annoyance is the key to good art - both straight and gay. The more annoying the better. This advise holds for both straight & gay artists.
Try to help your kids learn about the value of science, so that we can help the garden we've been given survive.
Survival is the bottom line.
Sex is set up in humans to be selfish - WISELY selfish.
If we AREN'T sucked into kid stuff, it's EASY to lead a petty dead end life, straight or gay.
Dunk straight aunt with no kids, who used to call my father while drunk all the time?
A zero on the Great Mandala.
Angel Reading Gay Nephew with a convicted pedo for a friend, nephew who spends his life posting near naked photos on FB?
Mostly a zero on the Great Mandala.
Service oriented gay guy who helps us with we go on vacation, and who has a highly service oriented career.
A reasonable place on the Mandala tapestry.
Stephen Fry & Oscar Wilde - mostly reasonable places from what I can tell so far.
Roman Polanski, should have his placed burned off the Mandala.
Joseph Smith also.
David Koresh also, and Jim Jones. Should be wiped CLEAN from the cloth.
What will your contribution be?
There are conservative fully naturalistic reasons to be concerned about birth control, sperm banks, and the forced equivalence of gay marriage & adoption.
If all respondents have in their tool box are ad hominem attacks, I'm acutely uninterested in those types of responses.
If you can change my mind, then change it. Otherwise, if I'm annoying, too bad. I'll still be on the net transmitting. Whether you listen or not is your choice. I just advocate that you find some useful place on the tapestry before your little tiny chance is gone.
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Political history:
Dad liberal. He was always upset w/conservative stance of most Mormons.
I voted democrat while Mormon, and after leaving their church.
Went on an Alice in wonderland style journey after leaving.
Checked out nudists, polys, Portland sex party people, gay bars and parties.
Finally got married to a down to Earth socially moderate woman from China. She's atheist.
One kid. Another on the way.
Still like social welfare politically (Obamacare - w/a pref. for single payer),
Ayn Rand was an idiot who knew nothing about human nature. On the other hand Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist.
Perhaps
like the South Park guys I hate conservatives, but I hate liberals even
more. However I'm not libertarian, nor do I have "everything should be
forcibly equal" gay colored glasses on.
I'm a truth and survival
advocate. I care more about the truth (and general human survival) than
group memberships or sucking up to any one group leader.
Perhaps
I am following in the footsteps of my rebel father to some extent. But I
also highly value the life work of people like Christopher Hitchens,
Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, and Carl Sagan.
I don't have empathy for wastrels. Take your place on the tapestry of life if and how you can, and while you have a chance.
I'm not a gaybot (similar to a mobot, but more gay).
Hey in a democracy in theory the people get to decide - except when naive judges take away our rights.
I
know it's a balancing act between inherent rights and not. But until
parthenogenesis is a natural reality, not everything will be equal.
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Knock
knock knock on the sperm bank door - the anxious lesbians wait outside.
Non married to a person of the opposite sex women probably should be
denied sperm from strange buildings such as those.
I can see why
the religious right are upset. I'm not for a gay "marriage" ban. More
for an alliance that promotes straight family life. The gays can do the
interior decorating. That's ok. But regular natural families should be
our top priority. Not STFU Parents woman on Jian G's show.
Where's the socially conservative gays? Somewhere with the log cabin group?
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Reach into the tool box of meme set defense mechanisms. Pull out one tool, after another, after another, after another.
Down deep in your meme set defense bag is the more heavy hammer & sharper instruments.
But,
mostly what you've got so far is one logical fallacy, after another,
after another. Smoke. Refusing to read what the other person says, or
lazy name calling.
No wonder Mormons & other conservative
religionists are wary of the other side. Wary for many reasons. And,
regarding some of those reasons, I don't blame them!
They should
fear for the safety of their children. Quite true. If your children get
sucked into the "loving" arms of the LDC, they could well get AIDS or
some other STD, become a druggie, "choose" to not have kids because of
LDC ideology at school, "choose" to become gay or a mixed-sex freak,
become destructive in other ways, etc.
Don't get an STD (sexually transmitted disease) or an MTD (memetically transmitted disease) by putting your willie into the glory hole of the left - it's no panacea.
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What's the balance between straight marriage, straight family life, and not?
13.8 billion years to 10 years.
10 years or so of lesbians knocking, knocking, knocking on the sperm bank door.
13.8 billion where a woman had to find a man and vice versa.
Quite a comparison.
Liberal denial of human nature, and our long history.
Traitors to their 13.8 billion year history. A repugnant death cult. THIS is liberalism for you TODAY!
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[Responding to a post by one man who is exhibiting traits of currently being held down by LDC ideology:]
"...there are perhaps other reasons why homosexual behavior may be
increasingly cropping up in human and other species. There is a certain 'carrying load' of animal species and homosexuality may actually be
nature's way of bringing things back into balance."
"Humanity
is in no danger of dying out from lack of reproduction. It may be
seriously endangering itself though, through overpopulation. Personally,
those who are hysterical about the 'gay agenda' are simply
fear-mongering in order to exert social control over a behavior that
they find...icky? I have many gay friends. Their agenda is quite
simply. To enjoy the same legal protections in their relationships that
heterosexuals enjoy. That is the sum total of their agenda."
"To
assume that procreation is the only societally building relationship
ignores all of the couples who are for one reason or another unable to
procreate. The argument that homosexual relationships are unproductive
are meritless since there are millions of gay people who are functioning
and productive members of society."
Responses to the above LDC meme set collection expression:
1. Your answer proves my point. To support the equivalence of "gay marriage" you MUST advocate that most people NOT have children. You must advocate for the value of childless marriage - and that such a state may actually be good. Slow motion suicide. A death cult. No other words for it.
An ideology of death, for the individual, and for society. The only fools who are listening are the liberals. Suicide for their own culture. Perhaps that's not so bad?
People WILL ignore you! They are ignoring you! They will continue to ignore you! Thank goodness!
Take your place on the Great Mandala, or Not!. It's up to you! I just advocate that you do. Don't allow yourself to be robbed of life & key foundational life experiences by LDC dogma!
2. Meritless?
False equivalences are the meritless, dangerous, destructive doctrinal points of the left.
Hey, I'm quite familiar with the dogma of the LDC. I've seen it first hand. My sister is a victim. My gay nephew is one. You are probably one too. I ask that you not be.
13.8 billion years. To 10. 13.8 billion years. To 10. Quite a ratio.
Traitors to life & to your own history.
"Carrying load" - may as well commit suicide now. Too many people? Let's be childfree.
May as well commit suicide. Hey, if your choice holds, the net-result will be pretty much the same.
But please DON'T! Have a kid if you can, using good old fashioned reproduction! And if you cannot, then help support those who do! Don't be a traitor to your own history.
Conservative naturalism. Advocacy for life. Honoring our true history, as 13.8 billion year evolved highly intelligent sexual animals. But sometimes our neural networks can send us right off the fucking rails and into a ditch. The LDC is one such ditch.
Please avoid it. Embrace life. Is that too much to ask?
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Further liberal-meme-set expression posted:
"A.)
Homosexuality is not maladaptive to psychosocial health. B.) There is
no evidence that allowing gays to marry increases rates of homosexual
behavior. In short, allowing gays and lesbians to marry the person they
love will have no statistically significant negative impact on
individuals or society as a whole."
My response:
A. Tell that to the people robbed of their place on the tapestry of life by LDC ideology.
B. Are we sure? The endeavor of science cannot yet be trusted on the question, because of the strong bias against a non-PC non-LDC honest answer from science.
In response to hearing that a gay director is going to put his gay dick right into the faces of American families who watch his otherwise quite popular cartoon show "How to Train your Dragon," here's quotes from my thoughts on the issues at hand - as posted in an online forum dealing with exchanges idea & info between Mormons & non/ex-Mormons:
Which otherwise sinking political/cultural boat can I jump to? Seems like both the leftie and rightie boats have some issues.
Maybe my own boat will float better. We'll see.
----quote begins of posting 2:
In response to someone who claimed we need to view everything as equal, I then wrote:
Hetero kissing leads to life.
Non-hetero leads to the opposite, in many ways, and by default.
Q. Do we need to make gay marriage & sex equal?
A. No. It will never be equal. Not so long as two men and/or two women cannot >naturally< make babies.
The whole concept of pushing for forced equality is incredibly abusive & wrong headed, and indicative of a greater problem with the liberal left.
Why is it harmful to expose children to the "strong possibility" of being gay? Because gayness is far less set in stone than the left will admit. Perhaps a bit more biological in *some* cases than the right will admit. But still, having children sucked into what is essentially a death cult (speaking frankly) is abusive.
Cartoons? Books for 2-9 year olds? Are you (ie: that is, the advocates that gayness be presented as "equal" to children) serious?
What if the presentation of gayness-as-equal to a kid robs them of a life in a normal marriage with kids? What if?
That ain't so bad - so says the liberal. The planet already has too many people already. Hey, the more people that become gay the better.
Now, you have to realize that my observations & views come after a LOT of observations of my own, at MANY liberal leftist social meetings, plus gay bars, plus gay parties, from perhaps 1995 through 2012.
Is exposure to the Stonewall agenda inherently abusive & damaging to children? I maintain it is. And I ain't a Mormon, nor a Catholic.
Rather, I'm a naturalist & science advocate who happens to maintain that 14.5 billion years of evolution, and the development of sexual reproduction with males & females being present counts for something - as it should.
Children sucked into the gay lifestyle may well be robbed of a life which could be more happy & productive.
Liberal heresy.
Oh, I'm just latching on to the beliefs I had in the past. I don't think so. It's not that simple.
Can I channel at least a bit of my wife's views on this issue, and work to intellectually stand up for how humans think who had ZERO exposure to Mormonism, Catholicism, and so on?
Anyway, yes there's gay people & there will continue to be.
I just advocate for the position that gay "marriage," or whatever you want to call it will NEVER be as valuable to humanity as normal straight marriage. That's it.
And comparisons to the banning of interracial marriage is not only a complete and utter non-sequitur, it's abusive and inane to even make such a comparison.
"...Without the state’s cooperation and enforcement, there would have been no anti-miscegenation laws and there would be no same-sex marriage. The reason for this, writes libertarian economist Jennifer Roback Morse, is that 'marriage between men and women is a pre-political, naturally emerging social institution. Men and women come together to create children, independently of any government.' Hence, this explains its standing as an uncontroversial common law liberty. 'By contrast,' Morse goes on to write, 'same-sex 'marriage' is completely a creation of the state. Same-sex couples cannot have children. Someone must give them a child or at least half the genetic material to create a child. The state must detach the parental rights of the opposite-sex parent and then attach those rights to the second parent of the same-sex couple...'"
"Seriously? Putting this in a children's movie?" eb wrote on the
EOnline blog. "I have absolutely no problem with any homosexual people
but the way [it's] pushed down everyone's throats now [it's] getting out
of hand."
"My very young kids love this franchise. However, this
is not a conversation my wife and I are prepared to have yet. It's
immensely frustrating that Hollywood feels complete autonomy to force
these issues on our kids," another user agreed.
God doesn't hate fags. But evolution by natural selection may have a few concerns about such activities, like it or not.
Liberals do have their heads right up their asses when it comes to equating gay marriage with normal regular long standing 14.5 billion year history marriage.
Right up their fucking asses. So, that's it.
Whoever the hell black atheists are?
Rich gay crackers w/no children commitments (of course!) are invading their neighborhoods & making the housing prices go up. No wonder they're more than a little upset.
Also, and here's the kicker for any liberal dumbshit:
Fully natural human morality exists in religion. In the Bible.
Now, as per my own ref. to the naturalistic fallacy, we do have to be careful. But on the other hand, the highly useful shaming (in some cases) that exists in human CULTURES, the shaming that helps us thrive and survive, some of that shaming IS valuable.
Not everything is equal. The LDC maintains it is.
Good job. In 100 years you may not have left any speck on the Great Mandala. But, in the de facto apparent dreams of all liberals, at least NAMBLA group members and Zoophiles will be able to marry, along with the LGBT crowd.
13.8 - 4.54 = 9.26 billion just to get our Earth going, with the more rare elements coming from exploded stars.
Another 2 to 3 billion to get sexual reproduction.
60 MYBP (million years before present) for primates
20 MYBP for great apes
2.5 MYBP for the homo genus
200,000 years before present for the first anatomically modern humans
And 10 to 40 years ago for the assumption that gay "marriage" is equal to straight normal regular marriage.
We may as well consider this *assumption* to be a side-effect of how human neural networks can go "right off the rails," as with any religion.
Maybe some day, two vaginas, or two dicks, will produce children.
Hey it happens in other animals, moving back, and speaking generally about asexual reproduction.
Crafty lesbians are finding a way to get sperm into their hoohaws, by hook or by crook. I suppose one can admit that such an action is also "natural," since all actions by humans are by default natural.
Whatever.
I just think there's value in advocacy for honoring long standing history, and with taking a step back.
Completely discounting the shaming propensities that exist in ALL human cultures is a wrong headed & destructive response.
Can liberals accept that children may, ideally, need a mommy & a daddy?
Marry if you want (as a gay). But, don't so easily discount what evolution by natural selection may have instilled into the brain of a child some naive judge may have allowed into your home.
Atheist groups and members of those groups ARE being brainwashed by the homosexual agenda, as taught inside the Stonewall Centers. Inside each Stonewall center is a set of dogmas, and books there to back up those dogmas. If you question their dogmas they'll boot you out. You're not allowed to question their core dogmas. Just another Church. Atheists are being chumps and fools - just like any person brain washed by any other religion.
Secular positions against gay marriage - some links found...
In these articles when they say "the state" I would replace that with "the community." "The state" is a bit too strong of a term for me. Humans exist in communities, and they do get to set their own community rules.
This whole deal has been an incredible eye opener.
Step back far enough from a position and you may well find yourself in the weeds of a Stonewall Center. This is exactly what's happened with atheist groups. And by "atheist group" we may as well call many of them "Leftist" groups, because it's very difficult to distinguish between their agendas and that of the social left in America: the assumption that everything is equal, and that everyone and all "lifestyles" are deserving of "equal rights" and equal respect. These are their dogmas. Question them, and they'll boot you - like any church would.
If your kids get sucked into a homosexual brain washing center AKA a Stonewall Center, or the gay culture generally, here is what they'll be exposed to: a.) a petty stunted life, and one which inherently leads to no children, no future - just petty vain childish play for all of their life; b.) exposure either directly to pedophilia (sex with underage people), or apology for such; c.) drugs (drug use is higher among gays); d.) deadly diseases (AIDS, other deadly STDs, etc.), and again e.) no ready opportunity to have real flesh & blood children of your own - to reproduce in a normal healthy natural way. YES, THIS MEANS SOMETHING AND IS IMPORTANT!
So we have underage sex & sex abuse. Drugs. AIDS. No naturally born children of your own. A stunted petty childish life. Brainwashing type teaching that being "gay" should be "equal." Well, it ain't. It never was, and by hell it never will be.
Atheists are, sadly, and en masse, jumping out of one church straight into the hands of another - but perhaps into a WORSE one, one which is far more damaging.
American Atheists - this group has done this.
Center For Inquiry - this group also.
Atheist Community of Austin - yep.
Several atheists go to Unitarian Universalist meetings, and such meetings are brain washing centers for the liberal death cult (eg; Having children is of less value, and acceptance of the homosexual agenda via rainbow flag flying & worse).
The liberal deal cult (LDC) meme set infects all these groups. Samples of ideas from this meme set: 1.) Overpopulation & concerns about the environment means you should not have any kids of your own. 2.) Single parents raise kids just as good as two parent homes. 3.) Homosexual couples raise kids just as good. 4.) Human reproduction is now of little value, and if a person "chooses" to be a virtual zero on the Great Mandala, that's no problem. It's their choice.
Not all choices are of equal value, nor should all choices be supported equally by the community. That's one bottom line. And dare I say, advocacy for real flesh & blood reproduction is by f another - a good one, a worthwhile one, one worth advocating for and fighting for. YOU wouldn't be here without straight sex, straight pride, straight relationships (eg: normal human relationships) - even if your current views are rather traitorous in response.
All sides are right (& wrong), liberals, moderates, & conservatives.
All sides are right - all sides have valid points. And all sides are wrong also.
Attention atheist groups: I don't want to be in your religions. I left one religion already. I don't wish to join yours. I don't wish to kiss the ass of your de facto priests. I don't wish to join your chump chorus of ultra-liberalism.
It's been a long hard road. I've examined what goes on with "the left," and I've found it to be just as abusive as what goes on with "the right."
Key background:
1. Spending 26 years in the Mormon Church.
2. Went on a Mormon mission to Alaska.
3. Going to Rick College for a year (now BYU Idaho).
4. Being a temple worker in more than one Mormon temple.
5. Going to BYU in Provo, Utah for a year.
6. Leaving the Mormon Church.
7. Living in Texas.
8. Living in Oregon, checking out the wild Alice-in-Wonderland-style scene there & the fucking hippies.
9. Marrying a woman from China, where they've had pretty much zero exposure to Mormonism, Catholicism, & most other churches, and examining what their views are.
10. Hearing from people like Steven Pinker with his book The Blank Slate. Also from Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens.
11. Daniel Dennett talking about how religion is a natural phenomenon.
12. Making note of how I had one uncle who grew up in Manti, Utah (ultra conservative Mormon small town). This uncle went to San Francisco to "let it all hang out," to apparently rebel against his ultra-conservative upbringing. He ended up dying of AIDS as a supposedly gay man, leaving his straight family with no father. WTF. A victim of BOTH Mormonism, and the gay freaks of San Francisco. Forced to jump from one side directly to the other. Abused by both!
13. Making note of the drunk bum aunt with no kids I knew as a child, the one who'd often phone my father while drunk. No kids of her own. A dead end largely meaningless life.
14. Making note of my gay nephew who leads an incredibly petty, shallow, and misguided life as an angle reader, and as a guy who readily accepts convicted pedophiles into his network of friends - I saw this first hand. Also making note of my many experiences going out with this nephew to gay bars & parties, and observing first hand the narcissistic messed-up people who tend to show up to such events (friends of my nephew). Truman Capote types. Shallow, sorry, messed up, narcissistic, people.
15. And yet (!) also making note of the service oriented gay people who help us & other people, and whose life work is centered around helping others. Also making note of the life work of people like Stephen Fry & Oscar Wilde.
16. Making note of how BOTH ultra conservatism and ultra liberalism are abusive to the progress of humanity.
Before viability (the closer to conception & the further away from viability), the more "choice" there is that can be reasonably allowed.
In the case of the average crack whore pregnancy, or rape, or incest: before viability, the "choice" is still there to help prevent the birth. But, once viability is reached, the point of "choice" has fully & completely passed.
On the whole gay thing:
It's true that a gay marriage is not the same as straight marriage. Gay sex is not the same as straight sex.
Straight sex & straight marriage is inherently more valuable, to humanity, and to the individual, and to human flourishing!
Gay sex is not as inherently valuable as straight sex. Gay sex is inherently a dead end.
Whatever the biological underpinnings are for being gay, because of the nature of how sex works in humans (& other animals), unless you work to avoid it you may end up having a dead end stunted life.
I was a liberal chump about this issue in the past. Now, as per taking a step back and examining what I observed first hand both with my gay nephew & gay uncle, I've changed by views.
And yet: There are service oriented gay people who spend their lives helping others. That's great! And I value the life work of people like Stephen Fry & Oscar Wilde!
It's true that gay people shouldn't be discriminated against regarding apartments or jobs! They should be able to have civil unions.
But on the other hand, when we talk about things like adoptions, or having children around, a straight kid growing up in a gay household will not have his or her straightness valued as much - by default. The abusive narcissistic petty dead end shit that goes on in gay culture could well easily mess up any otherwise-normal straight kid growing up around gay culture. So the right does have a point about this!
A certain level of concern regarding homosexuality is good, but on the other hand, the ultra-right goes way to far with their level of concern.
For example, in Mormonism they tell their children that masturbation can lead to homosexuality. Such a claim is child abuse. And of course the stance of Uganda on the issue is abusive. So the right goes way to far in their condemnation.
We shouldn't be as harsh as the right on the issue, nor as open as the left.
Children may NEED a mommy & a daddy, to be healthy, happy, well rounded, and thrive.
So like it or not, both sides are right, to a point, and with appropriate caveats.
On environmentalism, tree hugging, and overpopulation:
How are both sides right?
We do need to work to preserve & protect the garden. Yes that's quite true. Humans DO contribute to global warming. Also true. BUT, on the other hand, population control IS an abusive response!
Science & technology are the answers! Nothing else is! NOT forced population control on a personal or country level! That is an abusive response!
There's no such thing as overpopulation in first world countries - this is quite true. And humans DO come first above other animals and plants.
Liberal ideology, prompting you to be childless, may leave you a zero on the great mandala.
From what I've seen: Liberals hate children, normal families, and so on. STFU Parents is the tip of the iceburg. It seems to me that: liberals hate having children, and the normal family structure.
Your average college age kid will go to a liberal college or university & come away convinced that he or she should probably not have kids of his or her own because of concern over the environment. Abusive. Wrong headed. Brainwashing. Just as much braining washing by the left as what goes on with the right.
For the relativist liberal their ideal "family" is a childless one - because then the environment and the Earth is protected - supposedly. Stupid. Abusive. Such wrong headed evil ideology will lead them, and everyone sucked in by such ideology, to be pretty much a zero in the long term. Win or loose now you must choose now. Where will you be the tapestry of life?
To fully accept the equality of gay marriage the left must first assume that having children is not a valuable thing.
It's a good thing that we want to have kids - for many reasons. Not just because we're horny. Children are our future. And the liberal death cult is rather quite similar to the Shakers. The childfree life, and the homosexual lifestyle, is de facto celibacy.
Simply replace the word "god" with "14.5 billion years of evolution by natural selection." I know it's hard, but try to see though the Bible-centered language - through to our incredibly deep history as a species. DOES HAVING NO CHILDREN really honor your own personal billion-year history?
Being childfree is sad, petty, and ultimately a dead end. A death cult, by any other name, is still a death cult.
Leftist relativist brain washing. Leftist dogma that will stunt your life!
No, having a dog or cat around is not the same as a having human child! Not the same in the fucking least. Abused by liberalism, just as much as you may have been abused by conservatism!
Go to the First Unitarian Church of Salt Lake City. There you will find a congregation of grey haried liberals who don't really value having children, and normal families. Cultural relativists being abused by their own anti-children anti-family leftist ideology.
De facto religions of atheism & humanism are abusive.
Catholicism is also of course abusive when it comes to child raping priests. But, both Mormonism & Catholicism DO have valid points when it comes to abortion & birth control. Yes, you ARE abusing yourself if you exclude the possibility of children from your life!
It's a damn fucking hard truth to realize that very valuable & good elements of positive human morality can be fully rooted within otherwise abusive religion.
HOW can we realize this?
By examining what non-Catholic non-Mormon human cultures do and think!
Here's a hard question for the religion of Judaism:
Is your own promotion of separation from other groups, as part of your religion, in any way responsible for the past expression of fully natural human out-group morality, natural human out-group morality which was expressed in the past?
Forced genital rape of your own children.
Teaching your children that they are better than others.
Such actions naturally caused other groups of humans to more readily express natural human out-group morality in your case. Like it or not.
Examining what happened with Naziism and the Holocaust is rather like staring human out-group morality directly in the face.
The Nazis were fully human, humans expressing out-group morality.
And when your religion promotes separation between your group & others, you could well more easily fall victim to sociopathic nut jobs like Hitler who were able to effectively take advantage of this fully natural readily available negative side of built-in human morality.
Group think. Mob mentality. Survival morality. Nationalism. Provincialism. And even the Old Testament is completely filled with expressions of advocacy for out-group morality.
I don't accept your religion, left or right. Rather I want to be an advocate for science, helpful progress which promotes widespread happiness, well being & health, and survival.
Truth & honestly are required for healthy progress. That means staring our own history in the face and being willing to accept what we see. And to then try to work through what we see clearly.
Mormon Bishops DO abuse children in their care when they teach children that masturbation is evil & may lead to homosexaulity.
And yet, homosexual couples do PERHAPS abuse children by raising them in forcibly-relativist dogmatically politically correct households where straightness is not valued, nor honored, nor supported, nor promoted.
So BOTH sides are being abusive, ok?
The answer to conservatism is not liberalism. Instead it's honest science, observation, and tying into ALL of what it means to be human (including being willing to shame & blame & judge where appropriate & useful - !!!). A VERY VERY fucking hard thing for an ex-conservative-religionist to accept! Damn hard.
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Thank goodness the Internet is expanding our in-group morality.
There is hope though. In all religions people are becoming less abusive. It just takes time.
And, let me say there's aspects of ALL cultures & religions which I personally value.
I'm PRO-human. Pro-happy-human. Pro-true-and-honest-naturalism, in as much as being for those natural parts of us which can help us be happy. But, I'm also pro-honesty. Falling into naturalistic fallacies is also a consideration.
We have to be willing to look ourselves in the mirror, and to help promote what looks good, and remove the pimples which don't. That's all.
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