Now that I actually have a child I'm finding that some secular advocacy groups either are actively not child friendly, or they are passively so (by inaction or just not thinking things through).
Attention Exmormon Foundation: humans have children. Having a "strict no child policy" is discriminatory.
Attention Atheists of Utah: voting for your leaders at a party which isn't child-friendly, that's also not good.
Perhaps we need a "family oriented" atheist or freethinker group in Utah.
Also more thoughts on Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate. They essentially tell us: "We don't do Bible study with people who don't believe in the Bible." And they're also very keen to tell other people to shut up. Reference one (42:19 to 44:00 and 1:22:47), and two (35:49 to the end).
Ok, well, in response we could then well tell you: We won't chat about science & evolution with you, so long as you deny science, reasonable evidence and facts, and evolution.
Regarding the gotcha interviews Eric & Sye have conducted with apparently joint-toking college students: Yes, Eric & Sye, you may be able to get them to say "yeah, I don't know anything. You're so right." But once again you're not really being honest with your approach. What else is new.
More info:
Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate. Kiss Jesus's Ass or Go to Hell. Presuppositionalism.
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/07/eric-hovind-sye-ten-bruggencate-kiss.html
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