Now that I actually have a child I'm finding that some secular advocacy groups either are actively not child friendly, or they are passively so (by inaction or just not thinking things through).
Attention Exmormon Foundation: humans have children. Having a "strict no child policy" is discriminatory.
Attention Atheists of Utah: voting for your leaders at a party which isn't child-friendly, that's also not good.
Perhaps we need a "family oriented" atheist or freethinker group in Utah.
Also more thoughts on Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate. They essentially tell us: "We don't do Bible study with people who don't believe in the Bible." And they're also very keen to tell other people to shut up. Reference one (42:19 to 44:00 and 1:22:47), and two (35:49 to the end).
Ok, well, in response we could then well tell you: We won't chat about science & evolution with you, so long as you deny science, reasonable evidence and facts, and evolution.
Regarding the gotcha interviews Eric & Sye have conducted with apparently joint-toking college students: Yes, Eric & Sye, you may be able to get them to say "yeah, I don't know anything. You're so right." But once again you're not really being honest with your approach. What else is new.
In my view Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate say to us: Kiss Jesus's
Ass or Go to Hell - more on presuppositionalism and Calvinist
apologetics - July 1st, 2nd and 3rd, 2013 commentary and opinion.
Index to segments: 0:00 - July 1 - First commentary on presuppositional apologetics, word games, verbal bullying, and intellectual dishonesty. 10:23 - July 1 continuing 35:44 - July 3 - how to not pay taxes - info courtesy of an educational video found by Kent Hovind: don't use your social security card, renounce your citizenship, and consider yourself to the the prime interpreter of law in your life, above judges, legislatures, and executives. It's just God and You baby - everything else be damned.
Presuppositionalism is like a special turing test designed by dishonest people to see if they can decide if they will answer any questions at all. You'll always fail - if you're not a fundie yourself. So, that's where the conversation ends with them. So be it. We've got other people to talk to.
Eric & Sye essentially tell us: "...My imaginary friend told me so. Don't believe me? Then go to hell." But hell to an atheist is having to listen to them in the first place. What's heaven for an atheist? A science lecture. An art museum. A good hike in the mountains. Life. Love. Moving forward.
