Showing posts with label opinion. Show all posts
Showing posts with label opinion. Show all posts

Thursday, March 6, 2014

Listening to the NARTH guys - issues more complex than either side says

The NARTH guys.





Listening I am reminded of:

1. My gay uncle who died of aids leaving his straight family with no kids.
2. My gay nephew who leads a petty, shallow, dead-end type of life.
3. However and also: gay people I know who spend their lives helping others, in service oriented lives.
4. Gay people like Stephen Fry, who I largely admire.
5. The crappy crazy warped & perverse sexual morality in Mormonism & Catholicism.

Religion is a natural phenomenon, and so, like it or not natural human morality can be rooted in religion, even if religions also have built-in lies that their members are forbidden to speak against. And religions can go overboard, such as via equating masturbation with being gay.

Back in my fat bastard days I held up the book Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl.


But politically correct liberals engage in the naturalistic fallacy when they state that homosexuality is "ok" because it's natural. So what.

Related blog post:

Homosexuality occurs in nature? So what. Can I be a "black atheist" too? 

It's very true that Spencer Kimball and Boyd Packer were/are fucking perverts, as is the Pope. But, on the other hand so is my nutty gay nephew who constantly presents himself online in is underwear, and who has as a friend a convicted child abuser.

So, things ain't quite so easy to sort out as either side would have you believe.

Seeing first hand how things work can change your views. Yes it's quite true that the Mormon Church abuses children via their sexual masturbation interrogation interviews. But, there's also child abuse that happens at Stonewall centers too. Both sides are too extreme, too exclusive, too rigid, too dogmatic.

No I'm not gay. But I've been to enough gay parties & bars, and around the petty shallow stunted narcissistic friends of my nutty gay nephew to state that the "gay lifestyle" ain't all it's cracked up to be. But, don't change back to a fucking Mormon or Bible Beating Christian either - if you feel inclined to change.

And if you live a largely-abuse-free service oriented largely happy life as a gay man, that's ok too I suppose. Just don't cheat on your straight wife, get AIDS, die, and leave your family with no father. That's my advise to you.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013

To the Mormon wife whose husband is 'addicted to porn:' 12 *real* steps that will help!




To the Mormon wife whose husband is "addicted to porn:" 12 *real* steps that will help!

In response to: "Doug Robinson: One woman's crusade against the evils of porn" in the Deseret News. http://goo.gl/e0m9SL

The Mormon position on porn is basically this: Let us fit porn and human sexuality into our addiction paradigm so that we can exercise control over you.

The LDS 12 step program:
http://addictionrecovery.lds.org/bc/content/arp/content/manuals/ARPGuide_English_36764.pdf

Bullshit.

Here's 12 steps for you, if your husband is viewing too much porn in your view:

Step 1: Stop assuming that the act of viewing human sexuality online is, in an of itself, something bad.

Step 2: Stop threatening your man with divorce over the issue.

Step 3: Stop wearing your Mormon underwear at night, and especially during sex. Go nude, 100% nude, at night, in bed, with your man, and during sex. Period.

Step 4: Engage in oral sex, and encourage your man to do the same.

Step 5: Don't be afraid to touch your man's genitals at night in bed.

Step 6: Be sexual with your man, all the time. Give him cues during the day, and be affectionate at night.

Step 7: Find types of porn which are more a.) educational, b.) produced by amateurs, and c.) does not require payment, and d.) may be produced by regular people as opposed to "porn stars." Watch these videos with your husband, and see if what you're seeing can give you some ideas of fun things to try.

Step 8: Stop asking that your children confess to some Mormon bishop regarding masturbation.

Step 9: Set boundaries for leaders in your religion. Do not let them pry into your private life, and especially not into your sexual life or the sexual lives of your children who're coming of age.

Step 10: Stop teaching your children, your husband, and yourself to be afraid of sexual thoughts & feelings - of *lust* - of being *an animal*. We ARE animals. Get used to it. Live with it. Learn to love it.

Step 11: If your man is engaging in video sex chats with other women online, ask him to stop. Tell him you love him and want him to be happy. Tell him that you're ok with watching some types of porn online, but that video sex chats with other women go too far.

Step 12: Reject 12 step programs which assume you can "give something away" to some fanciful god. You're it baby. You're god. I'm god. He's god. She's god. Sex is god. Love is god. And the only immortality you will ever experience is through having children via sex. So, sex is good, and it's there for very good reason. It's there to be enjoyed, for good reason. The Internet has brought new opportunities and new challenges to what it means and is to be human. We all agree that we need to keep away from the thieves while embracing the good. The same goes with porn online. Get an ad blocker plugin for your web browser. Block your kids viewing as you feel appropriate. But, realize also that some value can be had from exposure to more full details about human sexuality, with less shame, fear, ultimatums, and threats. Move forward in love.



July 31, 2013

American Atheists: Censoring atheist thought, taking a step back from all ideologies, and questioning 100% acceptance of gay marriage


On the facebook page for American Atheists they don't allow links to other sites to be posted. Science and human progress generally requires having a free and open exchange of ideas. American Atheists' main focus seems to be acting as props on Fox News, suing people over 10 commandment monuments, promoting the ultra-left social agenda, and not much else. Is this "atheism plus," or atheism minus?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheism_Plus

Maybe triple minus - more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnBGeoJsFOk
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ69BhfiC6g

Pedantic motto of American Atheists: "I'm an atheist and I fight for equality."

Just because a human activity is natural doesn't mean we should embrace it 100%.

Maybe homosexual married couples should be required to adopt. How about that?

Just because a person becomes an atheist after leaving a cult or an ultra-conservative religion, doesn't mean they automatically become an ultra-leftie.

Be careful of people who want to control you after you leave a religion. Atheist plus people want to control your speech, just as much as any ultra-leftie might.

Frantic censoring ultra-lefties: http://goo.gl/wQ5BkP

A secular case against gay marriage:
http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/a-secular-case-against-gay-marriage/

I'm still somewhat undecided in general about gay marriage, but I'm not just 100% "for it" just automatically by default. The inherently non-reproductive nature of gay sex IS an issue, as are built in human nature that may feel some amount of concern over gay sex. That's natural too. Not everything is equal. Let's take a step back and not just jump wholeheartedly into the arms of the ultra-left. Maybe, just maybe, conservatives have something useful to contribute, even if at first glance their motives are motivated by "religion." Since, religion is a natural phenomenon, we cannot just fully dismiss out of hand every single thing they're concerned about.

A brain can be trained by genetics, socialization, and a combination of the two. During the following talk Warren Farrell talks about how in ancient societies homosexual sex which didn't include reproduction was discouraged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4

An a fascinating article on the subject:
The End of Gays: Gay Marriage and the Decline of the Homosexual Population
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/2011/08/01/the-end-of-gays-gay-marriage-and-the-decline-of-the-homosexual-population/
hmmm

I don't wish to see anyone harmed by the ideas people like past Mormon prophet Spencer Kimball, who equated masturbation and sex before marriage as sins akin to murder. That goes too far. And yet, even the happily free exmoron draws the line somewhere, between acceptable and unacceptable human behavior, regardless of the naturalistic status of that behavior. Of course it's all natural, and to some extent, so what. A better question may be: what do most people do, and what helps the species survive? Does this mean I advocate that gay couples separate? Not necessarily. But men who're in hetero relationships should not jump ship just because they find out they're gay. And already-gay couples maybe should adopt, or find other ways to have kids. And gay men, and rather self-centered straight no-children men & women, should find ways to not spend their whole lives in highly childish games chasing their own & other people's incredibly vain and shallow tails forever. Eventually we all have to grow up. Sex usually, even today, forces that upon hetero couples. It doesn't, automatically, do so for gay ones - and maybe that's the point.

I'm a social moderate, and an economic liberal.

Here's for an open discussion, and being free from censors.

June 30, 2013 afternoon

Thursday, July 4, 2013

Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate. Kiss Jesus's Ass or Go to Hell. Presuppositionalism.

In my view Eric Hovind & Sye Ten Bruggencate say to us: Kiss Jesus's Ass or Go to Hell - more on presuppositionalism and Calvinist apologetics - July 1st, 2nd and 3rd, 2013 commentary and opinion.



Index to segments:
0:00 - July 1 - First commentary on presuppositional apologetics, word games, verbal bullying, and intellectual dishonesty.
10:23 - July 1 continuing
35:44 - July 3 - how to not pay taxes - info courtesy of an educational video found by Kent Hovind: don't use your social security card, renounce your citizenship, and consider yourself to the the prime interpreter of law in your life, above judges, legislatures, and executives. It's just God and You baby - everything else be damned.

More info on kissing Jesus's ass:
http://nowscape.com/atheism/hanks_ass.htm

My own blog:
jonathanshome.blogspot.com

older pages on religion:
http://corvus.freeshell.org/corvus_corax/two/life_path/life_path.htm

Is Church Harmful? | Dave Silverman, Eric Hovind, Sye Ten Bruggencate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By3ijuxkxDg

The MSS - 15 April 2012 - Part 1 - Presuppositionalism with Eric Hovind and Sye Bruggencate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T06j5SApekk&list=PL0E69AD63A0B419A2

Presuppositionalism is like a special turing test designed by dishonest people to see if they can decide if they will answer any questions at all. You'll always fail - if you're not a fundie yourself. So, that's where the conversation ends with them. So be it. We've got other people to talk to.

More on Calvinist apologetics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presuppositional_apologetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinist#Scripture

Down the rabbit hole - a talk with Sye Ten Bruggencate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIEZsrP1HE

Sye Ten Bruggencate Gets His Ass Handed to Him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYFrMF1L4E

More on Eric's father Kent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq_fGBMzsYI
tax evasion and prison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind#Sentencing.2C_appeals.2C_and_imprisonment_.282007.E2.80.93current.29

Kent Hovind - County Jail Telephone Calls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBOfqyenPDc

Kent Hovind is Crazy #1: Taxes, the IRS, and Obeying Laws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkbIORWS5I&list=PLDBFCA254B5D2BCB4

presupposition Fail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lou6bx16w

Exposing Sye Ten Bruggencate - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0gu0nP7DU

The core Presuppositional argument debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2PRzgEVUTU

Presuppositional Fizzing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FaCdc4uLw

Philip Gregory vs Eric Hovind Debate: Does God Exist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRoT2Qp5mS0

Hundreds of Proofs of God's Existence
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Is Justified True Belief Knowledge?
http://www.ditext.com/gettier/gettier.html

Funny Dutch Person - TMM debunking Eric Hovind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T4MKJeyVe4

Eric & Sye essentially tell us: "...My imaginary friend told me so. Don't believe me? Then go to hell." But hell to an atheist is having to listen to them in the first place. What's heaven for an atheist? A science lecture. An art museum. A good hike in the mountains. Life. Love. Moving forward.