Croppertology: a Logan Utah Cult

My response to the Croppertology cult which stole away two nieces and one nephew, away into an apparent & perceived Mormon splinter micro-cult. All three changed their first names, and they all changed their last names to match that of the cult leader.


Above: Bitchute video link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/vIGmVMBCfHRU/     Youtube mirror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9KIe_pMS_U

Cult leader:
Camille Sebrina Cropper of Logan, Utah
...from what I can tell based on online research.

Cult member names:

Madelyn Higbee original name.

Maline Johanna Cropper cult member name.

John David Higbee original name.

Paul Michael Cropper cult member name.

Janessa Rose Higbee original name.

Elisabeth Joan Cropper cult member name.

Why did these three all change their names?

Yes Mormonism is abusive in its own right, but good grief one can leave Mormonism without having to fully cut yourself off from every single person in your family.

Cult is as cult does. Those who do cult like behavior are cultists.

Additional commentary regarding the abusive nature of the Mormon Church, specifically regarding Bishop led interrogations of children and adults regarding sexual matters. Behind closed doors, strange men interrogate children regarding whacking off.

It took me many years to recover from Mormonism and during those years I was an angry ultra-leftist reactionary.

Now I'm an evolutionary social conservative, but I will identify and call out abuse on all sides.

To the Cropper Cult Three, my blood kin, I say:

Your father is very frail now. After several heart attacks he is a whisper of a man. Your parents think of you every day, and your new assumed names mixed with your total disconnection from any of your family, well, you've gone too far with your cultistic craziness.

I am bunt in my vid. I'm not a fan of cults of any flavor. This vid is long overdue.

The Mormon Church is a pornographic church.

Joseph Smith had a 14 year old wife plus he had sex with women who were still legally married to other men (his plural "wives").

Brigham Young, ditto with a 15 year old, and also ditto re the wives of other men.

Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball wrote the evil book "Miracle Forgiveness" which claims that whacking off will make one a faggyfag.

This lie, probably drove Many to be angry reactionaries including many "Pride" attendees as such.

Kimball also produced a January 1982 letter stating that oral sex is not ordained of the Mormon god.

Plus advanced Mormon doctrine states that God the Father, Elohim, had literal sex with Mary the mother of Jesus. Next that Elohim has many wives in heaven, whom he has sex with with create spirit babies for worlds without end. Thus Joseph Smith and his cohorts dreamt up a sex-crazed ramptant orgy type of heaven for themselves to live in. And thus, Mormonism is an Abusively pornographic church at its core. Utterly hypocritical.

When I was an ultra-leftist virgin living in mommy's basement, yes I used porn some. But frankly my porn use drove me to want real in person interactions.

Now I am a father with kids, and a family man, and I have mostly no use for commercialized porn. Yes porn does hijack. Yes kids should be protected from it. Yes humans have evolved hidden sexuality. That's all fine.

But hypocritical Mormons should not go around preaching to others about porn, while still believing that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, or Spencer Kimball were in any way prophets of a god.

To Madelyn, John David, and Janessa I say:

Whatever your parents did, that doesn't warrant cutting yourself off totally from all of your family, or even from your parents now that they're becomming increasingly frail.

Your father is now a more humble man, and he's been very kind to my family.

This "cut," these "cuts" of yours to people who don't mean you harm per se, is immoral.

And yes leaving people stuck in cults is immoral too. Thus, leave the Croppertology cult I advise you.

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Andrew Torba & Gab Go Off the Deep End: Hysteria regarding the human body.

Gab’s #AndrewTorba utterly undermines the existence of his site gab.com, with his discussion on #porn. Torba: https://www.pscp.tv/w/cMLoyzFvUEVMQnphd01NS2R8MU1uR25Fdk1XWlZLT3pBODyG54rCf172bAGMAm7HljpZXmLHahvtsts9zLB7 Main points from Torba, reasonable paraphrasing and interpretation: 1. “People who object to me are addicted to porn.” 2. “Let’s put legal barriers against speech I don’t like.” 3. Children. Save the children, as a reason for item 2. My responses: A. Yes humans have evolved to have “hidden sexuality.” B. Yes adult #sexuality should be appropriately hidden, from children. C. Adult porn, that is explicit portrayals of human sexuality, are absolutely free speech. D. Torba is inviting legal blocks regarding speech some don’t like. Utterly hypocritical. Absolutely undermining his pwn brand. E. It’s lazy and stupid to state that people who object to gov blocking access to legal images and words, via forced identity verification, are “addicted to porn.” F. Gov regulation of what adults can share, about adults between adults, opens the door to too much control and regulation of human thought and interaction. G. What is legal speech? Adult porn is legal. H. If you’re a parent who’s concerned, use technology to block the content you consider inappropriate for viewing by children. The alternative is, what? Inviting censorious totalitarians to creep more into power. I. The balance between what should be legal and not, has been reasonably reached already in America. We don’t ask the government for permission to read legal material or to see legal images, period. Adults viewing adults. Adults reading what adults do. Adults sharing with adults. Freedom of association. #Freedomofspeech. Freedom of thought. #Gab and Andrew Torba are off the rails. J. Yes humans aren't bonobos. But gov requiring ID checks to view certain pixels or ink, is regressive and a quick path to totalitarianism. Nuance: https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/10/humans-are-not-bonobos-response-to.html 

The destruction of gab.com. #GetOffGab #DumpGab #LeaveGab #GabIsNotFree p.s. Torba has blocked me on Twitter. He's Tetchy and is in a forced Silo.

That which produces love, is love: Choose Life.

When the human species turns away from its evolutionary roots, it falters.

What does it mean when an animal is sexually dimorphic? It means there’s trait divergence between the genders. Size. Disposition. Personality. Intelligence distribution, peaks, lows, averages. Inclinations. Desires. Preferences. Preferred jobs. Natural abilities, on average.

In the human animal, women evolved to be the primary care givers to young children. Look women are damn capable people. But, when they outsource primary childcare to strangers, they are selling their own children short. Plus they are also then acting as an enabling force for the abusive leftist Ponzi scheme known as State Welfare - a system which is an enabling force for BAD and abusive human behavior: Abusive behavior such as incentivized single mother households. Abusive from a human nature and evolutionary perspective.

I’m not talking about gods as the origin or morality. Evil Santy isn’t checking whether you whacked off last night. Don’t worry. But, religions couch evolved human morality. Thus, what humans are DOING today, now, all is rooted in evolved human nature.

Thus, while Evil Santy Jesus isn’t making his list and checking it twice whether you watch porn, whack off too much, or are on a track to be a non reproductive outlier petty dead end wastrel. No literal gods give a F.

But, we as sexual animals, naturally derive the most happiness when we live our lives in such a manner which more closely aligns with what we have been evolved to do: have children au naturel - the way 1.2 billion years of evolutionary history intended.

Before you resort to implementing in your life eugenicist Margaret Sanger’s birth control pill (she bankrolled it), consider carefully. Have you pushed yourself enough? Are you smart enough to know exactly when to cut yourself off from inherent reproduction?

Evolution is smarter than you. The ant with a liver fluke inside doesn’t know why it crawls to the top of a blade of grass so as to be eaten by a passing cow. Brains and eyes naturally progressed via natural selection long before neurology and ophthalmology came on the scene.

Yes we are an interplanetary species. But, if you outsource the primary raising of your young kids to strangers, you are literally selling them and yourself short.

Burn those bras. Put them pussy hats on. Scream. Yell. Complain. Throw a tizzy. But in the end, women in the human species posses the primary ability and evolved responsibility to care for children in a human family’s primary nesting place. Also, when women do work, they choose female trait type jobs on average. Care-giving jobs. Not manly jobs.

Men are better physicists because men have a naturally wider IQ distribution. More highs. More lows. Female human IQs tend to populate toward the middle of the IQ human intelligence distribution.

Also human races, also known as sub-species in the biological sense (sub doesn’t in this case mean lesser, it just means a subdivision of the larger species group), have a.) differing average personality profiles, and differing average intelligence distributions.

All this talk is utter heresy within culturally Marxist postmodernism, a denialist cult which underpins most primary and secondary education in Europe and America. The social sciences including psychology and all university departments which end in the word studies, all these are also underpinned by the evolved human nature denying cult of postmodernism.

Oh and by the way, if I were a white supremacist, I wouldn’t be willing to admit that Ashkenazi Jews (European Jews) and East Asians score higher on average on math intelligence than evil evil universal-slavery-ending whitey does.

365,000 pink skins AKA white Northern Army soldiers DIED during the American Civil War so that universal slavery on this planet could be ended - and many white British soldiers died worldwide for the exact same reason.

https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2018/08/what-did-whitey-ever-do-for-me-good.html

So ask yourself, why are childless socially leftist European leaders importing socially conservative Muslims into Europe to breed on their behalf? For evolutionary and biological reasons. It’s not dicks out for Harambe. https://youtu.be/M0nw5dx2a_4 It’s dicks and vaginas out for whatever human group has got the available biggest-balls and the most human nature complying and honoring vaginas.

If your own county is filled with soy-boy feminized men and women who pop eugenicist Margaret Sanger’s birth control pill, you WILL (for evolutionary reasons which even you’ll verbally deny) want to import more socially conservative humans who wIll more truly honor our evolved by natural selection sexual human natures. Import by hook or by crook. Feeling the redpill going down the gullet yet? Am I getting through?

I’m my own man, but we all stand on the shoulders of others.

Spend hours and hours listening to Dan Dennett explain how religion is a natural phenomenon on YouTube. Anti Trump Marxist old fart hippie Dennett. https://youtu.be/1tSLH345W_0

Next absorb Marxism-lite apologist & general centrist, Ashkenazi Jew, Steven Pinker’s views on how human babies are not born blank slates. https://youtu.be/DFey_0cbgeo

Add in Christopher Hitchens’ advocacy for seeking the truth everything else be damned. On the Clintons, FYI: https://youtu.be/UrzyVt1lbpo On abortion, 1: https://youtu.be/B8HhTKzmvas , 2: https://youtu.be/Apt4iR6axnY

Next sample Jordan B. Peterson’s commentary on postmodernism and his interviews on the absolute necessity of fathers in the home. 1 p-mod-ism: https://youtu.be/oyzSrtr6oJE , 2 shorter telomeres by the age of ~9 if there’s no father present(!): https://youtu.be/v5O_FLUWYmg And on the myth of overpopulation: https://youtu.be/cnIKH0bbNSs by the way.

Next Gad Saad’s many vids: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLH7qUqM0PLieCVaHA7RegA

And then add raised by an abusive single mom, small L libertarian, pragmatically socially moderate/conservative atheist, & Trump-advocate Stefan Molyneux. On links between race and IQ (they AREN’T celebrating): https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Stefan+molyneux+race+intelligence

(Click on the links either directly by Molyneux or by Dave Rubin).

Next Molyneux on abortion:

https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Stefan+molyneux+abortion

(Select links actually by Molyneux)

Next, older genius pot smoking and coffee loving Scott Adams everything: https://youtube.com/channel/UCw5pSFA1KVZJruigo_FVv2Q/featured and https://blog.dilbert.com/coffee-with-scott-adams-podcast/ and on Periscope.

Social-leftist classic-liberal Carl Benjamin: https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100 and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpiCH7qvGVlzMOqy3dncA5Q

Warlock and Trump advocate Tarl Warwick: https://www.youtube.com/user/Styxhexenhammer666

The people Dave Rubin interviews: https://www.youtube.com/user/RubinReport

And even the indefatigable free speech advocate Milo Yiannopoulos. https://www.dangerous.com/

Gavin McInnes, a founder of Vice, and Trump advocate: https://youtu.be/5mevw1cCZ4c

Owen Benjamin, pianist, blue comic, conservative Christian, and Trump advocate: https://www.youtube.com/user/owenbenjamincomedy

Molyneux on why Australian aboriginals had 40,000 years at the wheel of Oz, w/o doing much more than create the wheel: https://youtu.be/SQxBcQJE_e0

Why do salmon swim upstream?

Why do women put lipstick on?

Why are we driven to produce life?

It's not my fault we're on a trail which has been traveling some 1.2 billion years, the amount of time sex has existed on this planet.

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This is a special week. In a few days I shall be attending the funeral of a second nephew who's been taken too early.

When you live in a clouded-in environment which is grey for 11 months of the year. When you've failed at life and love, and you're allowing booze to lower your inhibitions, you might have a voice which comes into your head which says: "Why don't you just f-ing kill yourself."

Two nephews, taken way too early by the reaper. They couldn't wait until they were 85 to exit. Why?

Because when they were at their lowest, they didn't reach out for help.

Phone a helper, paid to help people in such situations. Talk through the thoughts. Understand why imposing thoughts of doing bad shit to yourself comes into your head.

When you're at your lowest, you can either allow the low point to be an impetus for positive change, or you can take the easy way out and let the reaper take you. If so taken, you shall: 

Leave behind those who love you. Leave behind the POTENTIAL for love & change.

Most suicides produce anger in those left behind. Anger at realizing we probably could have done more and anger at the cowardice and selfishness of the act itself. But here's a f-ing kicker: There's also slow motion suicide which people do while still breathing.

We all face hard times.

You can let anger and/or depression take you, or you can reach out for help when you're at your lowest.

And yes booze and other brain chemical changing drugs do worsen situations.They remove evolutionarily-provided walls.

Booze causes a high, but it also causes a subsequent low, plus it also opens a brain up to more negative thoughts than would otherwise be there.

Thus, when a person is at their lowest, they should choose to reach out for help, for help from strangers trained to help. Then later, they can work to instead choose life.

And thus, four children have been born, by hook and by crook, and by some hard pushing. 

That which produces love, is love. It's life. It's sex. It's the river of life. It's the Great Mandala. Take your place, or don't. I suggest you do. And once taken, stay the f around so as to help your kids grow up! I DGAF if you feel like shit. They need you. That's my message to you. Thus get up, pick yourself up, try to understand your partner and yourself, and move on with life.

The Great Mandella (The Wheel Of Life) song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoi0TyMqwM

Talk I gave at my mother's funeral:

https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2010/12/funeral-talk-that-i-gave-in-february.html

---excerpt:

As far as I can tell, relative to our position in the Universe, we're rather like some moss growing on the top of a mountain.

As moss we're very intelligent. And maybe some day, being the smart green moss that we are, maybe we'll find a way to extract ourselves from the mountain top.

In a few years our lone peak which is the only place we can live is going to get scorched. And we happen to be so smart in fact that we have predicted the future scorching.

So if we are very lucky & very smart indeed, our science & technology may save us.

Or perhaps we'll fade away to dust like most life has on the mountain.

It's either the sky god or the volcano god, or the real truth about our rather humble state.

Noble & beautiful, yes, but if we're going to make it in the long term at least a few of us have to take a longer view.

There is no Christian Armageddon waiting. But in about 500 million years our Sun will be 10% brighter thereby causing the oceans boil off. So our descendants either need to re-engineer the Sun by then, or get us off of this rock. And we've only known about this for ten or so years. And there are other huge risks to our survival.

What we teach our children about science may save humanity.

There's no heaven or hell. But that means we have an added responsibility to care for what we have here. To make this life here & now into a heaven or a hell.

We are related to other animals. We are animals, and our morals come from a combination of genetics and socialization. Whether such a fact is good or bad, it doesn't matter. That's simply the way it is.

Being concerned about legacy is an issue. Who will care that you lived in 100 years? Make a contribution. Be a great artist or a great scientist or have kids. And if you have kids, teach them the value cutting edge art and science, and of the value of taking the proverbial red pill as from the

film The Matrix.

---end of excerpt

We only get one shot on this pale blue dot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot

...don't waste it. Don't exit early by your own hand. Live a life which honors your evolutionary heritage as a sexually reproductive sexually dimorphic emergent properties highly intelligent animal, and you'll be happier.

When two or more are gathered:

https://youtu.be/xxxsTYHvWa4

Lyrics:

He is now to be among you at the calling of your hearts

Rest assured this troubadour is acting on His part

The union of your spirits here has caused Him to remain

For whenever two or more of you are gathered in His name

There is love, there is love

Well a man shall leave his mother, and a woman leave her home

They shall travel on to where the two shall be as one

As it was in the beginning is now until the end

A woman draws her life from man and gives it back again

And there is love, there is love

Well then what's to be the reason for becoming man and wife

Is it love that brings you here or love that gives you life

For if loving is the answer then who's the giving for

Do you believe in something that you've never seen before

Oh there's love, oh there's love

Oh, the marriage of your spirits here has caused Him to remain

For whenever two or more of you are gathered in His name

There is love, oh there's love

---end of quote

If you're not joined in love, you will be lost. Thus join hands, or be lost. Thus I suggest joining hands in love.

Repackaged bullshit: Porn The New Tobacco | Jack Fischer | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity

November 2017 addendum:

My views on the matter of porn have evolved some. From Pompeii onward there's many examples showing that humans have enjoyed watching portrayals of human sexuality. The ideal expression of sexuality is within marriage. Before marriage, masturbation should be used, but prudently so that you still have enough sexual energy for dating.

Yes, regular porn is crass and stupid, and even abusive. And the industry is a sink hole of abuse. Harlotry & whoring, on film.

Yes it's useful to see how sex works.

Yes, it can be fun. But, don't have too much fun. Seek out people in real life.

Balance.

Prudence.

What would be the solution? Well, I would now lean toward keeping kids away from the stuff completely of course. Completely. And adult should should be, well, as f-ing minimal as possible, with a very strong preference being given toward real in person interactions.

Dating and marriage in other words. Marriage. And yes marriage with children, and that's the point of sex: children!

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Ultra-right religious bullshit, repackaged via TED(x) morons:

Porn The New Tobacco | Jack Fischer | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9pPgIraoOM
My video response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZDHeKDieAc

Human interest in watching open expressions of human sexuality isn't fucking the new tobacco.

And neither is the darker side of porn 1.0, where people crassly sell a very poor and inaccurate portrayal of human sexuality.

Porn 2.0 is a step up, where people organically share more honest expressions of intimate activities. Sites such as xtube.com have such expressions, but sadly sites with some porn 2.0 content are fully funded via crass & abusive porn 1.0 content.

Porn 3.0 would be where humans can share full & honest expressions of human sexuality without the abusive harlottry of porn 1.0 being around at all.

Also Porn 3.0 would mention how sex results in babies! Perish the thought!

Can the two concepts be merged? Porn 3.0 would leave the whores in the dust, but still would share honest expressions of human sexuality.

Now, back to Jack Fischer: This "nofap" business of ascribing nobility to abstinence from masturbation: That is abuse - the very quintessence of it.

My own experience with masturbation in the Mormon Church:

Mortal Mormonism: How Mormons are taught to do right, then betrayed and shamed by their upper leaders. By Jonathan , a former: temple worker, full time missionary, Sunday School president, priesthood holder, and member of the Mormon Church. A personal journal & explanation.

http://corvus.freeshell.org/corvus_corax/two/life_path/Mortal_Mormonism.htm
or http://corvus.freeshell.org/corvus_corax/two/life_path/Mortal-Mormonism-November-26-2005.pdf

In Mormonism they teach young children from at least the age of eleven that masturbation is evil. They also readily share a terrible book called Miracle of Forgiveness by past Mormon prophet Spencer Kimball about the evils of masturbation, how masturbation can destroy your life, may turn you into a homosexual, and is a sin which must be confessed to a Mormon Bishop and is a sin which makes it so you cannot visit the Mormon temples.

Related previous posts:

Jesus wants me for an asshole: the song of LDS missionaries, bishops, and prophets
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/jesus-wants-me-for-asshole-song-of-lds.html

lds.org : discover the perversity or Mormonism
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/02/ldsorg-discover-perversity-or-mormonism.html

Advice for TBMs on porn: Why society accepts pornography but not littering?
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/05/advise-for-tbms-on-porn-why-society.html

To the Mormon wife whose husband is 'addicted to porn:' 12 *real* steps that will help!
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/07/to-mormon-wife-whos-husband-is-addicted.html

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Now it's true that there's "dangers" with uneducated exposure to crass harlotry. But on the other hand we can go too far with the shaming.

So take with a huge grain of salt advise from fuckers like this guy:

The great porn experiment | Gary Wilson | TEDxGlasgow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Why be wary of advise from people like this guy? Because there's a very easy abusive slope and connection between ultra-right type abusive sexual shaming, and the supposedly secular repackaging of these ideas. The "secular" supposedly "scientific" repackaging of ultra-right religious shaming regarding human sexuality - is by it's very nature inherently problematic.

As for all this, and especially regarding shaming for masturbation:

You CAN and you WILL teach children to hate their own bodies!

You CAN and you WILL teach children and adults VERY unhealthy ideas regarding masturbation and the value of self-touching and self-exploration.

You CAN and you WILL teach adults they should be AFRAID of having too much sexual energy present in their lives, and in their relationships!

Teaching people to be afraid and fearful of the SEXUAL SYSTEMS built into them by billions of years evolution by natural selection: THAT IS ABUSIVE!

So there is ZERO nobility in abstaining from masturbation.

There is value in having enough sexual energy and motivation to go on a date, or to love your wife more often. That's true! But the easy-ready slope to teaching people to hate their own bodies just because we're inherently sexual, that is something we need to be very careful about doing.

So you abstained from masturbation for six months?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzterc3NqeU

You stupid dumb fuck: Prostate cancer awaits.

Also you are cheating yourself by doing such a moronic thing!

What a moron you are - you "nofap" fool!
Secular repackaging of ultra-right religious shame is really just lipstick on an otherwise abusive pig.

Sorry to see that the TED / TEDx effort has been hijacked by all this. Rich snobs can be dumbshits too.Joycelyn Elders on masturbation:

"...Masturbation, practiced consciously or unconsciously, cultivates in us a humble elegance -- an awareness that we are part of a larger natural system, the passions and rhythms of which live on in us. Sexuality is part of creation, part of our common inheritance, and it reminds us that we are neither inherently better nor worse than our sisters and brothers. Far from evil, masturbation just may render heavenly contentment in those who dare..."
http://web.archive.org/web/20041019084748/http://www.uno.edu/~asoble/pages/elders.htm

And remember that Bill Clinton fired her for stating this type of thing.

Clinton Fires Surgeon General Over New Flap
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-10/news/mn-7305_1_surgeon-general

...while at the same time Clinton was having oral sex in the oval office.

A good response from Hitchens:
No One Left to Lie To: The Triangulations of William Jefferson Clinton
http://www.amazon.com/One-Left-Lie-Triangulations-Jefferson/dp/1455522996

Bill Clinton, Womanizer and Adulterer In Chief, fired a surgeon general who advocates for the value of masturbation.

Past Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball tells married couples they should not engage in oral sex, and that masturbation is a great evil.

Oral sex:
http://lds-mormon.com/worthy_letter.shtml
page two:
http://lds-mormon.com/worthy_letter1.shtml

Masturbation:
http://mormonthink.com/QUOTES/masturbation.htm

Mormon leader Boyd Packer comes out with an incredibly abusive anti-masturbation pamphlet which is shared very widely with all Mormon boys.

Text in pamphlet:
http://www.lds-mormon.com/only.shtml

Evangelical Christian fuckers buy into the same abusive bullshit.

And then fucking TEDx allows repackagers of ultra-right religious shame in a supposedly "secular" form.

Thanks TEDx & TED, and go to hell.

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Keep masturbating!

Share your masturbation experiences with your partner!

Help your partner start masturbating!

Even be so bold as to search for porn 2.0 on the internet (real people engage in real sex, not whores showing a false view - hard to find, but may you can find it).

Use that you find to help to expand your repertoire with your real life partner!

Your brain isn't being hijacked, no more than breathing hijacks your body. Sex is a key part of who we are - inseparable. That's why people who teach us to feel bad for being sexual animals are evil, even sexual repackagers of such abusive shame.

Yes there's some value in limited amounts of shame if a given activity leads to a dead end. But medium or long term abstinence from masturbation is an inherent abuse.

Religions like Mormonism & Evangelical Christianity DO hijack human sexuality, for their own nefarious ends. They subvert normal natural humanity for their own evil ends. And "nofap" is a supposedly secular apology for this subversion.

Suicide in Mormonism from anti-masturbation bull, as in the The Godmakers documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1oS00F4n4&t=23m15s 
...start at or fast forward to time index 23:15, and especially continue through past 24:33 to learn about a young man who killed himself because he was taught within Mormonism to hate his own body.

More info:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131021180407/http://www.affirmation.org/suicide_info/sin_and_death_in_mormon_country.shtml

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Additional links:

Mormon Bishops Are Child Abusers | Brain washed pretentious pompous claptrap, from a bunch of retrograde old farts: Thomas S. Monson, Spencer W. Kimball, Boyd Packer
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/mormon-bishops-are-child-abusers-brain.html

Thanks Masturbation!
http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/32jfqh/thanks_masturbation/

Mormon Bishop shows first hand how they interrogate children on the topic:
http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Email-exchange-with-bishop-regarding-masturbation

No More: End Mormons' Sexually Invasive Interviews of Children - facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-More-End-Mormons-Sexually-Invasive-Interviews-of-Children/503622079732706

Time To Ask Romney About LDS History Of Sex Abuse Cover-ups
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/time-ask-romney-about-lds-history-sex

#MORMONS allow their children to be interrogated by #LDS Bishops about Sex/Masturbation behind closed doors.It is Child Abuse #twitterstake
https://twitter.com/cwillardsmoot/status/586191864732192769

Masturbation 'cuts cancer risk'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

Advice for TBMs on porn: Why society accepts pornography but not littering?

For the true believing Mormon (TBM):

Why society accepts pornography but not littering?

1. Free speech beatch. This is fucking America. Get used to it!

2. Because you're a dumbshit.

3. Because you have a dick or clitty.

4. You're complaining about porn? WTF! Your founding prophet slept with a 14 year old and with the wives of other men. Then the second prophet with a 15 year old, and with the wives of other men. Then your god gets to have real sex with Mary the mother of Jesus. Hey, sounds like fuckin' porn to me. Hey, how many orgasms does it take in a million years to equal 100 billion spirit babies? 11 orgasms per hour. All sounds like fuckin' porn to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young%27s_wives
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2012/12/we-were-all-just-sperm-in-gods-balls.html
http://atheism.about.com/od/mormomism/a/Mormon-Jesus-Born-Sex.htm
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon385.htm
http://www.bible.ca/mor-god-had-sex-with-mary.htm
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx

5. What about the plight of women in the Mormon heaven? Do they EVER get a rest from Elohim's dick?

6. Have you read the fucking Bible?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sex/long.html

7. Do your morals come from the fucking Bible?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Here's the bottom line, my TBM beatches:

A. Yes highly commercialized porn is of less value.

B. Yes children should be protected from porn.

C. Porn has it's uses, even in marriage. Suggest searching out less commercial less-professional more down-home types. It's quite true that whores & pimps can & do inappropriately make money of off this key built in human trait. On the other hand, in the era of web 2.0 and so on, more real down to Earth "porn" can be found with appropriate research. Maybe you don't need to find any. But on occasion it can be useful, as an educational tool, and to help get things "going" in your marriage.

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The sexual act is not inherently evil, nor should it be inherently censored. It's life. It's how life is created. Like it or not (you brainwashed TBM's usually HATE it), that's just the way it is.

TAKE YOUR G'S OFF FOR SEX, MY TBM FRIENDS!

Lighten up about porn. It's a free country & a largely free world. You don't like it? Fuckin' tough. Your prophet did FAR WORSE to REAL LIVE CHILDREN!!!

Also, having your children grilled about masturbation IS child abuse! How about that Mr. & Mrs. TBM!

LDS.ORG discover the perversity of Mormonism:
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/02/ldsorg-discover-perversity-or-mormonism.html

Miracle of Forgiveness - still widely promoted today, and translated into several other languages at the mobot distribution centers:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Miracle-Forgiveness-Spencer-Kimball/product-reviews/0884941922/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

My own history:
http://corvus.freeshell.org/corvus_corax/two/life_path/life_path.htm#history

Suicide from the Mormon stance on masturbation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080620075156/http://www.affirmation.org/suicide_info/sin_and_death_in_mormon_country.shtml

What about micro-management regarding oral sex? How abusive!
http://stakepresident.blogspot.com/2011/05/oral-abstinence-key-to-happy-fulfilling.html

What a bunch of hypocritical fucks - Mormons are on this issue.

Please transmit this message to your TBM associates. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan
...former Mormon missionary, Sunday school president, temple worker, and fucking long time chump - also a human who thankfully finally wised up.

Please rewrite the above in "nice" language for your TBM friends. Thank you.

response to: 'Porn site claims attack by LDS Church servers' and questioning sex with 'boys' in gay culture

Story in "Q Salt Lake:"
Porn site claims attack by LDS Church servers

"The owner of the pornographic site, MormonBoyz.com, says their site was under a denial of service attack late Sunday night and that the IP addresses of the servers being used to implement the attack were traced to being housed in a ZIP code that only contains the blocks of Temple Square, the LDS Church Office Building and the LDS Conference Center."
...as from
http://gaysaltlake.com/news/2013/08/05/porn-site-claims-attack-by-lds-church-servers

Taking a step back, the verbiage reportedly used on the site in question is a bit disconcerting.

...as from the story, where they quote from the site MormonBoyz.com:

"These guys are every bit as sexual as other boys their age, but are also wonderfully innocent and wholesome. And actually, you might even say that because of their deprivation, these boys are pent up and starved for release, and that makes them even more sexual...”

...Sounds like 11 or 12 year olds to me. What do you think?

The use of the term "boys" may be popular in homosexual culture & circles, but I wonder if it's really appropriate or useful - or telling? I have a homosexual nephew and have been to homosexual bars and parties. So I'm quite familiar with what goes on.

I have no special allegiance, and I don't particularly care about being "blacklisted" by fellow homosexuals since I'm not one. So, let me say that while it's a bit strange that they received a denial of service attack possibly from Mormon HQ, the use of the term "boys" is also strange. How about sexymormonmen, or mormonmen. But the use of the boy term tempts me to assume that sex with underage children is more associated with homosexual culture than some would otherwise like to admit.

Try to excommunicate me for saying so, but there is a crappy creepy underside to "gay culture" which is not politically correct (in "progressive" circles) to talk about.

For example, the man referenced in the following page was readily accepted back into the "gay community" after serving prison time for child rape (I was a first hand witness to this acceptance):

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695261750/Secret-shame-Predator-was-coach-Scout-chief.html?pg=all

The propensity for my own nephew to constantly post near naked pictures of himself in his underwear on facebook, while at the same time being supposedly "involved" or somewhat committed relationship to another man is telling, don't you think? And the use of the term "boy" this and "boy" that as homosexual men ogle other "men," or dare we say, "boys," in gay bars & parties is also telling.

Maybe there is biological exuberance in the human form of sexual expression known as homosexuality. But on the other hand just because something is "natural" doesn't mean we have to accept 100% of all that goes on. We don't. There's all sorts of human activities which we could be described as natural but which should nevertheless be curtailed. It's a balancing act and everyone draws the line somewhere. I would just like to suggest that people who engage or advocate for, explicitly, or implicitly, sex with underage children, deserved to be called out for what they are: child rapists & apologists for such.

Are Catholic priests who rape young boys "straight?" Doesn't sound like it to me, not according to the verbiage used by the owners of MormonBoyz.com, and not according to verbiage frequently used in gay bars and parties.

I know there's men who are rather highly genetically predisposed to be homosexual. Perhaps the shallow and childish nature of my own nephew was a misnomer? I imagine there are some "family values" homosexuals out there who don't spend 100% of their free time ogling "the boys" at bars & parties, and parading around in front of each other near naked on forums like facebook. Certainly there's slutty crazy straight people who're also selfish & largely a bunch of wastrels (particularly those who choose to not have kids & be "child free").

But again, one thing about straight sex is that it naturally leads to responsibility and growing up. Gay sex doesn't, and the results are sometimes a near permanent petty childhood state. I've observed this state first hand, and I believe it deserves to be commented on, particularly when convicted child rapists are not directly ostracized and confronted in the "gay community" when they get out of prison.

To the Mormon wife whose husband is 'addicted to porn:' 12 *real* steps that will help!

To the Mormon wife whose husband is "addicted to porn:" 12 *real* steps that will help!

In response to: "Doug Robinson: One woman's crusade against the evils of porn" in the Deseret News. http://goo.gl/e0m9SL

The Mormon position on porn is basically this: Let us fit porn and human sexuality into our addiction paradigm so that we can exercise control over you.

The LDS 12 step program:
http://addictionrecovery.lds.org/bc/content/arp/content/manuals/ARPGuide_English_36764.pdf

Bullshit.

Here's 12 steps for you, if your husband is viewing too much porn in your view:

Step 1: Stop assuming that the act of viewing human sexuality online is, in an of itself, something bad.

Step 2: Stop threatening your man with divorce over the issue.

Step 3: Stop wearing your Mormon underwear at night, and especially during sex. Go nude, 100% nude, at night, in bed, with your man, and during sex. Period.

Step 4: Engage in oral sex, and encourage your man to do the same.

Step 5: Don't be afraid to touch your man's genitals at night in bed.

Step 6: Be sexual with your man, all the time. Give him cues during the day, and be affectionate at night.

Step 7: Find types of porn which are more a.) educational, b.) produced by amateurs, and c.) does not require payment, and d.) may be produced by regular people as opposed to "porn stars." Watch these videos with your husband, and see if what you're seeing can give you some ideas of fun things to try.

Step 8: Stop asking that your children confess to some Mormon bishop regarding masturbation.

Step 9: Set boundaries for leaders in your religion. Do not let them pry into your private life, and especially not into your sexual life or the sexual lives of your children who're coming of age.

Step 10: Stop teaching your children, your husband, and yourself to be afraid of sexual thoughts & feelings - of *lust* - of being *an animal*. We ARE animals. Get used to it. Live with it. Learn to love it.

Step 11: If your man is engaging in video sex chats with other women online, ask him to stop. Tell him you love him and want him to be happy. Tell him that you're ok with watching some types of porn online, but that video sex chats with other women go too far.

Step 12: Reject 12 step programs which assume you can "give something away" to some fanciful god. You're it baby. You're god. I'm god. He's god. She's god. Sex is god. Love is god. And the only immortality you will ever experience is through having children via sex. So, sex is good, and it's there for very good reason. It's there to be enjoyed, for good reason. The Internet has brought new opportunities and new challenges to what it means and is to be human. We all agree that we need to keep away from the thieves while embracing the good. The same goes with porn online. Get an ad blocker plugin for your web browser. Block your kids viewing as you feel appropriate. But, realize also that some value can be had from exposure to more full details about human sexuality, with less shame, fear, ultimatums, and threats. Move forward in love.

July 31, 2013