Libertarian Atheists, are usually abusively permissive Leftist Hippies.
Case in point:
In response to the post quoted below, 40 or so rather negative responses came back including one death threat against the original poster. After receiving the death threat, the original poster added a long comment in reply, after which the group admins booted the original poster.
The group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LibertarianAtheist/ - AKA Libertarian Atheists.
These people, self-described libertarian atheists, have no concept of what human nature is, and zero respect for our evolutionary heritage.
In the follow post "NIP" means non-interference principle, something self described libertarians claim to believe in.
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Every time I hear Joe Rogan I am inclined to say to him: “you’re a moron. Pot does rot your brain. Also ‘letting people live their lives’ doesn’t take into account how people can be sucked into de facto (secular) cults. And there is a difference between government mandates and just doing social shaming for at least some destructive behaviors - although I’m not pro pot legalization nor for allowing non-reproductive outliers to suck kids into their unnatural-for-the-children ‘relationships.’”
I guess I’m a classic liberal too, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore observed facts or what a given redpill might reveal, nor ignore how evolution works and our evolved natures.
The following is a list of my current views which shall probably trigger leftist-hippie libertarians, and so what:
1. Sexual organs are for making babies.
2. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. Two genders period, and unchangeable.
3. Gayness appears to be largely a forced chosen outlier state, for most people who self identify as such.
Yes there’s gay non-human animals, but this is solely because the force of evolution on this front produces a certain percentage of non-reproductive outliers.
Thus to any extent that their are actually natural born human gays (as opposed to victims sucked into a de facto nihilistic death cult), they are >not< selected for. Rather they, are simply mistakes generated by the machinery and force regarding how evolution works.
4. We should imo salute valiant people like Doug Mainwaring who realize children should and must come first.
5. Climate Change Hysteria has zero connection with real and true and honest science.
6. Religions couch evolved traits and morals.
7. Christianity is superior to Islam and Judaism. Islam greatly and abusively amplifies out-group morality.
8. Christianity laid the foundation for a Reformation and Enlightenment. Men on the moon. America. Bringing humanity out of the largely Islam caused Dark Ages.
9. Overpopulation is a myth created by anti human nihilists.
10. If fat shaming works then why not gay and trans and bi shaming.
11. Margaret Sanger was a horrible racist eugenicist.
12. Race and IQ are inseparably linked.
13. The Democrat party was and still is about slavery.
14. Pot does rot your brain. And who pays for rehab and the impacts resulting from damaged and hijacked brains? Me via tax money.
15. Trump is a wonderful and highly useful president.
Denialist hippie triggering concluded.
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After receiving 40 or so negative type replies, including one death threat from a group member, the following addendum was posted. This addendum comment resulted in the original poster being banned from "Libertarian Atheists."
Not so libertarian. Mostly abusively permissive leftist (GD) hippies.
------------ quote begins of comment posted after receive 40 negative replies including one death threat, from so-called "libertarian" atheists, a comment which then resulted in a ban from the group:
There's no such thing as a non-interference principle in a social animal.
Joe Rogan, and his dittoheaded followers frequently resort to the use of loud expletives as a means of conveying supposed arguments. The louder the expletive is spoken (or typed in capitals), the stronger the argument is supposed to be.
Yes it's possible to assess what a group is like by their responses to a given argument pr set or arguments & points. The tone of their responses.
In the above list so far, I see one death threat. How's that for your gd interference principle.
Now, as for a reasoned argument, which I don't think you're able to process really, is as follows:
Humans tend to gather in groups and draw up rules. You know, rules again: murder, rape, cheating. Stuff like that. There's also rules of war, for when another tribe attacks yours. I don't "love" Trump, but I agree with Milo he has damn high utilitarian value, and I also agree with Milo that Trump was the best de-facto librarian on the ballot.
Leftists (including leftist libertarians) force their will onto me and mine all the time.
At >two< government-run local art museums, they have mandatory "gender neutral" restrooms where the mentally-ill gender-dysphoric memetic-children-of-neomarxist-postmodernism men, get to spy on women & girls in the restrooms there.
Gays, force their will onto others all the time, at cake shops, at the adoption center, and on and on. They seek to use the force of law, of the State, to impose their will.
Potheads and other druggies damage their brains. They can end of jobless and on rehab. Who pays for their rehab? And who pays for how pothead parents basically F up the lives of their kids via having easy access to a brain hijacking chemical?
So, who exactly is forcing whom on these fronts?
The gender dysphoric and their leftist enablers, are forcing me.
The gays, are forcing me.
The potheads and other druggies, are forcing me.
The neomarxist postmodernists, are forcing me.
So, why exactly should I give a shit? This was asked more than once. Why would I give one blooding fucking rats ass, what someone else does with "their body." Why? Why? Why?
Because, dumb-S (yes I'll now resort ot the use of exlitives myself, well after one death threat in this thread so far), humans are social animals. Because what you do, affects me. What you do, affects your family. And if you're pregnant, what you do, affects someone who isn't you - the baby inside.
NIP my ass.
As social animals humans have a tendency to make up group rules which help discourage destructive dead end behaviors. So be. Yes not everything is equal. Yes there's a balance between 100% freedom and responsibility. In fact we cannot have freedom without responsibility - something your average pothead lib has mostly forgot. "And don't ask me to pay for your rehab either" - I'd say to them.
For you, yes you, "libertarian" means the freedom to be left alone to do your shit. Smoke pot. Do some bitcoining. More pot. More bitcoining. Add some pot. Joe Rogan libertarianism I guess. Not mine really.
Oh my god, what a mess:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
"Left-libertarianism encompasses those libertarian beliefs that claim the Earth's natural resources belong to everyone in an egalitarian manner, either unowned or owned collectively..."
Response: Earth's natural resources belong to everyone? F-ing Communism!
"Right-libertarianism developed in the United States in the mid-20th century and is the most popular conception of libertarianism in that region. It is commonly referred to as a continuation or radicalization of classical liberalism. Right-libertarians value the social institutions that enforce conditions of capitalism, while rejecting institutions that function in opposition to these institutions."
Response: Ok classical libertalism advocacy, and pro-capitalism.
But how does being pro-capitalism mean you get to kill a baby inside your womb, or that you get to smoke pot & f-up your life (next stop: rehab & getting my tax money - but what of the sacred NIP?), and the lives of your family (NIP gone, again)? How does being pro-capitalism mean you get to adopt a child into your unnatural-for-the-children outlier (gay or trans) relationship?
Oh yes my views are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Victorian.
Hey I likes me some tits and ass as much as the next red blooded American male. But tits and asses are for making kids, ok?
Human nature. Human evolution. What helps humanity thrive best.
Yes I admit and agree that the American project is the best way devised thus far. And if democracy can only be maintained when a general population has an IQ above a certain level, then your dreams of a utopian "libertarian" society look even >more< far off and more like a pipe dream.
Yes of course the State has grown too big.
But it's fascinating (and f-ing annoying) to me that ALL THESE PEOPLE who want to be left alone to do their thang, don't wish to leave me and mine alone.
Gender neutral restrooms where lookiloo men get to spy on women & girls.
Babies killed en masse by Margaret Sanger's abattoir.
Brains damaged and families destroyed by all those drugs which are just, by F, none of my business.
None of my business. None of my business. Don't f-up my party bro!
Leftist hippies indeed. And yes I'm generally for classical liberalism. Thus as you prepare to press the boot button, keep that in mind.
As for the rest, since the thread did include one death threat from one oh-so-kind NIP-loving lib, I'll say this: F U.
------------ end of quote of comment which resulted in a ban from a libertarian atheists group.
Many self described libertarians aren't libertarian at all. Rather, they're just abusive morons who mostly want to force you, and everyone else, to pay for their excesses and abuse.
Friday, February 2, 2018
Wednesday, October 11, 2017
Leftist Charlatan Virtue Signalers Want Your Money
The de facto religions of the left, and the charlatan leaders of these cults, want your money.
The Clintons
Al Gore
Al Sharpton
Climate Change Hysterical Whores
The Stonewall Warriors and the Outlier-Rights whore groups
Planned Parenthood systematic poor & black person killing org.
All these virtue signalling leftist cult leaders & charlatan groups, want your money.
Historically religious charlatans would set up tents, and they'd say to the assembled crowd: "I am the most moral, give me your money."
Virtue signalling as a means of enhancing cash flow.
Yes there is good human morality. But the cultural left shows they have zero association with good morality.
For years virtue signalling leftists essentially sucked the John Thomas of rapist Bill Clinton.
Then Friend of Bill Al Gore found a way to use his own type of charlatanry as a means of getting cash.
While leftists support the 'right' to be a non-reproductive outlier, and to have such outliers shove their own implements right down the mouths of the normal inherently-reproductive people, well they also want cash in association with their lying cheating virtue signalling. Normal women & girls & families, to the f-ing back of the bus with these wastrels.
Redpill, from charlatans who want your money, and who use moralistic virtue signalling as a means of getting cash.
Yes there's good human morality, and that morality indicates that calling out f-ing cheaters is a damn useful activity.
October 11, 2017
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'Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Neil deGrasse Tyson: Priests in the Cult of Climate Hysteria'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/09/sam-harris-michael-shermer-neil.html
'Choose Life! Reject the violent fascist marxist racist enslaving death cult of the left'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/10/choose-life-reject-violent-fascist.html
'Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. Also to: The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these.'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/09/leftist-atheists-want-into-your-bedroom.html
'Banned from a conservative atheists facebook group: conservatives who aren't conservative.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/08/banned-from-conservative-atheists.html
'The Batons of Christopher Hitchens; The natural underpinnings of social conservatism; Jordan Peterson's work'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-batons-of-christopher-hitchens.html
'Leaving the Fascist Marxist Left'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/02/leaving-fascist-marxist-left.html
'The Western Enlightenment versus Democrat leftist slavery'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-western-enlightenment-versus.html
'Trump versus Hillary: Trump had better Be the Republic!'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/11/trump-versus-hillary-trump-had-better.html
'The Problems with Hillary Clinton'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-problems-with-hillary-clinton.html
'My Journey to Conservatism'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/09/my-journey-to-conservatism.html
Monday, October 9, 2017
Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers
Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers
Mormon Bishops routinely interrogate children and adults regarding sexual issues, and especially regarding masturbation.
Mormons, and especially Mormon Bishops, want to know!
This is the key question Mormon Bishops ask children, again, and again, and again. Children as young as 8 through the age of 25 - oh and especially at the Mormon Missionary Training Center (MTC) in Provo, Utah. But even in the regular meeting houses, if you masturbate as an 11-19 year old, you are required to go confess to your Mormon Bishop! After age 19, the Mormon Missionary structure takes over the asking. Then when you come home again after your Mormon mission, they'll still be asking.
Yes it's true that they do, universally, interrogate & grill the boys on this, but there is spill over effect onto the girls (cycle of abusive shame - teaching children to hate their own bodies).
Also, as per a widely distributed book within Mormonism, 'Miracle of Forgiveness' by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball, masturbation can easily make you a homosexual! Yes that's right, masturbation can make you a 'gay!' This message was told to me when I was young, and thus the Mormon Church is how I first learned about the existence of homosexuality. Next they taught me that if I masturbated, I could easily become a homosexual.
Suicides have resulted from this rampant widespread child abuse.
One such example, the suicide of Kip Eliason:
http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/a-latter-day-tragedy-suicide-over-masturbation/
Also there's a very popular 'Pride' culture in Salt Lake City. I argue the main reason for this is because children who're abused via this cycle-of-shaming scheme, grow up to be reactionary ultra-leftists in response. Thus the Mormon Church is an ultra-leftist generation machine.
video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinaY7_KiJU
Mormon Bishops routinely interrogate children and adults regarding sexual issues, and especially regarding masturbation.
Mormons, and especially Mormon Bishops, want to know!
This is the key question Mormon Bishops ask children, again, and again, and again. Children as young as 8 through the age of 25 - oh and especially at the Mormon Missionary Training Center (MTC) in Provo, Utah. But even in the regular meeting houses, if you masturbate as an 11-19 year old, you are required to go confess to your Mormon Bishop! After age 19, the Mormon Missionary structure takes over the asking. Then when you come home again after your Mormon mission, they'll still be asking.
Yes it's true that they do, universally, interrogate & grill the boys on this, but there is spill over effect onto the girls (cycle of abusive shame - teaching children to hate their own bodies).
Also, as per a widely distributed book within Mormonism, 'Miracle of Forgiveness' by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball, masturbation can easily make you a homosexual! Yes that's right, masturbation can make you a 'gay!' This message was told to me when I was young, and thus the Mormon Church is how I first learned about the existence of homosexuality. Next they taught me that if I masturbated, I could easily become a homosexual.
Suicides have resulted from this rampant widespread child abuse.
One such example, the suicide of Kip Eliason:
http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/a-latter-day-tragedy-suicide-over-masturbation/
Also there's a very popular 'Pride' culture in Salt Lake City. I argue the main reason for this is because children who're abused via this cycle-of-shaming scheme, grow up to be reactionary ultra-leftists in response. Thus the Mormon Church is an ultra-leftist generation machine.
Relevant clip from the film The God Makers, regarding the suicide of Kip Eliason.
Longer clip:
https://youtu.be/ljzVkt-I4Co
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As the answer to the following question appears to be YES:
'Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?'
Thursday, October 5, 2017
Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?
Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?
Spencer Kimball & Boyd Packer, past & present prophets / Apostles of God, want into YOUR bedroom and the bedrooms of your children.
Teaching children to hate their own evolved sexual natures as they are coming of age, IS a reactionary ultra-leftist generation machine.
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7StK16_cPQ
Spencer Kimball & Boyd Packer, past & present prophets / Apostles of God, want into YOUR bedroom and the bedrooms of your children.
Teaching children to hate their own evolved sexual natures as they are coming of age, IS a reactionary ultra-leftist generation machine.
A related exchange from Facebook, quote begins:
I suggest that the way Mormonism deals with sexuality, results in the >exact opposite< of what they're hoping to accomplish.
Recently I encountered Jordan B. Peterson (JBP). I appreciate his approach, honestly, and general pragmatic social conservatism.
Below is a copy of an open letter I shared with him.
I am, now, fully on board with the pro-family pro-life pro-1.2-billion-year-evolved-marriage pro-reproduction pro-children project, but only after observing much of what the abusively permissive ultra left has to offer.
'Choose to be a non-outlier if you can'
I know there's a lot of non-Mormon Christians who're part of recovery from leftist crap. On the Mormon / Christian front there's a relevant old film called The Godmakers which mentions a boy named Kip who killed himself as a result of the Mormon approach.
Relevant clip from the film The God Makers:
Longer: https://youtu.be/ljzVkt-I4Co
------ quote of letter shared with JBP
You've had some questions regarding Mormonism of late. Here's more info.
In response to your general work & for where you touch upon human sexual nature topics:
FYI Mormonism has: a.) frequent required interrogations re masturbation for adolescents & adults, b.) claims from their past prophets that masturbation can lead to homosexuality, c.) a 1982 letter from their leadership stating that oral sex is prohibited. These types of cultural religious requirements tend to generate reactionary ultra-leftists in response, a fact which otherwise defeats the top-level general good intentions of religions like Mormonism.
The founders of Mormonism had underage wives & wives who were still legally married to other men. I'm an ex-Mormon and it's taken me a very long time to recover, first from ultra-right Mormonism, and next from reactionary ultra-leftism.
Now I'm center-right socially & economically. Also I transitioned from being a morbidly obese virgin living in my parent's basement, to a somewhat less heavy regular-house-dwelling father of three with a happy family.
I appreciate your general advocacy for social conservatism, but this is an FYI note that some ultra-right religions do actively generate reactionary ultra-leftists. Interrogating youngsters regarding masturbation teaches them to hate their own evolved sexual natures.
I've listened to your stated stances on these topics and I generally agree with you. For sure our energies in these regards should be directed toward an inherently-reproductive partner. But when adolescents and adults are 'pushed too far,' results can happen which are the exact and precise opposite of what should generally be hoped & aimed for.
The ultra-left is no panacea utopian 'answer' to the ultra-right. Instead I suggest the answers lie with pragmatic honesty regarding human nature & what prompts humans to live happy lives.
References:
1. Mormon 1982 oral sex prohibition letter: http://stakepresident.blogspot.com/2011/05/oral-abstinence-key-to-happy-fulfilling.html
...as on a parody website, but the quoted letter is quite real.
2. Mormon-Prophet issued book stating that masturbation can lead to homosexuality, a book given to many youngsters w/in Mormonism: https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
3. My own exit journal, on what is now a legacy website which reflects the time when I was still a reactionary ultra-leftist:
4. My more recent blog which documents my transition from ultra-left to basically center right economically & socially. http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/
5. Wives of the founders of Mormonism:
6. Hundreds of stories of others who've left Mormonism:
7. Anti-masturbation pamphlet given to many adolescents in Mormonism:
8. Another set of instructions given to young boys on the topic of masturbation:
E.g.: "...yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind."
In-person required interrogations of impressionable youth conducted by Mormon Bishops, interrogations starting as early as age 10.
Telling adolescents that masturbation can make one gay. For myself this was my first introduction to homosexuality - the Mormon Church telling me that if I masturbated I could become gay.
Telling adolescents to yell "STOP" in their minds when they have sexual thoughts.
Intrusive child & adult abuse.
For sure relations with real flesh & blood people of the opposite sex is preferable, but the above illustrations are frankly outright child abuse, and like I say ultra-leftist reactionaries are absolutely generated in response to the above highly hypocritical scheme, hypocritical in light of the documented actions of the founders of Mormonism.
In Salt Lake City there's very active & well attended 'Gay Pride' events, the headquarters of Mormonism. Two sides of the same coin. FYI.
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[I received a response from an LDS person at BYU (Brigham Young Universitiy) who scoffed at my account. My response to them:]
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The LDS Church, is IMO a gay person generator. Yes the approach of the Mormon Church drives people into the hands of the denialist left. On topic I suggest.
When 10 year olds are interrogated on the issue referenced, there's costs.
Yes I know that non-Mormon Christian churches want people to recover from being gay. That's great. Doug Mainwaring's path, is super & I support it.
But, as I note, the non-Mormon Christians have some rather strong concerns regarding the Mormon approach - as noted in the God Maker's film which documents the suicide of Kip Eliason.
I support the general top level social conservative goals of churches like Mormonism. But I'm suggesting they're shooting themselves in the foot by taking an approach which does drive people into the hands of the reactionary denialist left.
I suppose there's some value in culture for making note of how people's lives are actually lived. When I protested Mormonism, holding up Bruce Bagemihl's book 'Biological Exuberance,' I was a reactionary noob. Got my picture in the paper for the privilege. Now I see Bagemihl's approach as being myopic.
What's 'selected for' with humans is inherent reproduction. What makes humans the most happy, is reproduction. Life. Having children. Nihilism is a dead end.
Yes the Mormon Church is tempering their approach. The book widely handed out to church youth, Miracle of Forgiveness, which taught that masturbation would make you gay, is no longer in LDS Church distribution centers. Thank goodness. And many people, including many Mormons reportedly, are glad it's no longer there. But I suspect the interrogations of 10-14 year olds is still taking place. These kids first exposure to homosexuality, is via these interviews & teachings.
Cruising along as a normal kid, and then you encounter this crap? There are costs. The death of Kip Eliason. And yes, I would suggest, a hugely popular 'Pride' culture going on in Salt Lake. Reactions to going too far.
So I agree there's darn high value to the promotion of inherent reproduction. For god if you wish. For Jesus, that's fine. But also to honor 1.2 billion years of our own evolution as sexual animals - 1.2 billion years being the amount of time sex has existed on this planet.
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[The BYU man told me that 'anecdotal accounts' mean nothing, but also that the anecdotal accounts of 'millions' of Mormons should be highly respected:]
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First hand observations & cogent reflections. Gay uncle, dead of AIDS due to the glory hole culture of San Fran, leaving his straight family with no father. He grew up in Manti, Utah. From ultra-right to ultra-left, then dead.
Gay nephew, sucked into gay culture after having really an overly harsh Mormon father and a passive Mormon mother.
Myself, a reactionary ultra-leftist social justice warrior for several years until I woke up & decided to stop being a nihilist.
First hand lived experiences as a Mormon. Seeing other's experiences.
I'm 100% on board with 5-word-top-level summaries of what Mormons advocate for socially, but I only joined that ship after many years of an Alice in Wonderstand style journey through the dystopian denialist left.
Not to offend anyone, but I see religion as a fully natural phenomenon. Evolved traits couched within religious contexts. The Christian tradition is rather more valuable than others, because it allowed for a Reformation & Enlightenment.
If the Mormon Church is still interrogating 11 year olds about masturbation, such acts have costs I suggest. What are the costs other than the occasional suicide? 'Pride' I suggest. Stonewall reactionaries who see it as their key mission to defeat, the otherwise mostly-good & valuable family values that come out of 50 E. N. Temple (or 47 E. S. Temple).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not taking things out of the air. First hand observations & reflections. If you don't agree that's ok...
--------------- [The BYU man scoffed and dismissed more. My further response:]
Can you confirm or deny the interrogations referenced are still taking place? Widespread, or not so much?
Not to quell the Lord's Path to Truth or anything. Life does kind of suck, for the canary who has to actually enter the coal mine.
Does the squeaky wheel get the grease or the hammer within the gilded cage? I've had many hammers swung at me over the years, from the right and the left (mostly from the left these days, but I'll take all comers).
The elephant in the room.
The de facto cultural link, between 47 E. S. Temple and 255 E. 400 S.
Regarding anecdotal accounts:
The experiences of millions? Wouldn't that be just a higher number of easily-dismissible anecdotal accounts?
I don't claim anecdotal accounts should be automatically dismissed.
I'm just saying that on one hand you discount my experiences, the lived experiences of others, the suicide of the young man Kip referenced, while at the same time claiming that the anecdotal experiences of others should be rather highly valued.
'Pride' can just grow & grow & grow & grow in Salt Lake, and the guys in the Church Admin building can go on their course pretty much ambivalent to what I'm talking about I suppose. But frankly, I think there >is< a creep of SJWism (social justice warriorism) within Church HQ.
Kimball's horrible book as referenced, gone from the Church Distribution centers. Ding Dong The Witch is Dead - the song comes to mind.
On the creeping-SJW front: At the Utah Museum of Fine Arts, where LDS Church owned property is on display, they now have signs which state that "UMFA acknowledges that gender is not binary."
Art department managers now get to negate 1.2 billion years of history & our own evolved nature?
I have notified the Mormon Church about the signage and the risks such signs pose to women (the signs also say that men can use the women's restrooms if they want). Women of course, real women, have zero choice in this matter.
What's the response of the Mormon Church to this situation, after being notified? Crickets.
I know they teach evolution and biology at BYU, as I've been there first hand (yet another one of those pesky anecdotal accounts).
I'm aware that this forum is intended to serve as a support structure apparently for people who'd like to recover from denialist leftism and who'd like to live lives of inherent reproduction.
As a man with children, I don't want to see my children sucked into the denialist cult of abusively-permissive-leftism. The leftist cult which wants to put a gold star on the foreheads of those who're the very best, at not having children.
The people at the helm of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, have apparently chosen to shelve Kimball's horrible book. That Is Progress.
More Christians. And even More Mormons. That's ok. But on the other hand, child abuse is child abuse. And the types of interrogations mentioned, IMO turn some of the victims into ultra-leftist reactionaries.
Why would I bother to even have this discussion? What's >my< agenda on this front? I want people to be happy, and I want the truth to be out there. The truth is the ultra-left is not a panacea answer to the ultra-right.
If you visit Pride, and Stonewall, and the Unitarian Universalist Churches, and Atheist of Utah parties (A of U is now run by Stonewall SJWs - and they booted me when I told them I liked Duck Dynasty) - if you were to visit these places you'd find cultural refugees who're basically 'in recovery' from the Kimball-Packer approach to things.
If people can find happiness via being Mormon, that's ok mostly, but children should not be interrogated for masturbation when they're coming of age, interrogated by strangers. And the costs for doing such are many.
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'Questions for Mormon Missionaries - God, Sex, and honesty | 16 questions for Mormon Missionaries'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/questions-for-mormon-missionaries-god.html
As the answer to the question I post appears to be yes, after checking, the following new page was created:
'Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/10/mormon-bishops-are-child-abusers.html
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'Questions for Mormon Missionaries - God, Sex, and honesty | 16 questions for Mormon Missionaries'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/questions-for-mormon-missionaries-god.html
As the answer to the question I post appears to be yes, after checking, the following new page was created:
'Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/10/mormon-bishops-are-child-abusers.html
Monday, October 2, 2017
Choose Life! Reject the violent fascist marxist racist enslaving death cult of the left.
Choose Life! Reject the violent fascist marxist racist enslaving death cult of the left.
(link to video: https://youtu.be/PxL1nxY4BhM )
Redpill and recover from the violent fascist marxist left. I redpilled from Clinton appreciation, from Obama appreciation, and from being a Democrat. Now I'm essentially a socially conservative small L libertarian. A pragmatic pro-freedom truth teller.
Choose Life.
Choose, to have a family, the 1.2 billion year evolved kind.
Choose, to be the master of your own destiny rather than to rely on the mommy & daddy socialist-ponzi-scheme State.
Call out, liars and cheaters.
Choose Life instead!
Promote, the value of the Western Enlightenment project, of which America is the best and most faithful example.
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1. The wastrel dumbshits of Antifa, come to Utah. Their psychopathic tendencies, exposed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA
2. Leaving the Fascist Marxist Left - February 2017
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/02/leaving-fascist-marxist-left.html
Posted October 2, 2017
Monday, September 25, 2017
An Open Letter to Harald
Hi Harald,
Hope things are going well. I wanted to thank you for making my family possible.
As I was leaving the Mormon Church I was going to university taking physics courses. At that time I thought that 'science and reason' had all the answers. Eventually I sought out atheist and 'humanist' groups, and I found a group you and I used to be members of: Utah Atheists, which later changed their name to Salt Lake Valley Atheists (SLVA), and SLVA was later dissolved and unilaterally absorbed into the separate Atheists of Utah.
Reason & skepticism means being willing to see if our beliefs are falsifiable. But atheist groups do not operate as engines of reason & skepticism. My first exposure to this fact happened as I was attending meetings with you for SLVA.
During one meeting for SLVA, Atheists of Utah existed as a separate entity from SLVA. SLVA was the longer running local atheist group. A president of Atheists of Utah (A of U) was at the SLVA meeting with his pro-life atheist girlfriend. At the SLVA meeting in question, the potential for a merging of SLVA with A of U was discussed. During the meeting members of SLVA stated that a merging was not possible because the girlfriend of the A of U president was pro-life, and it was stated that SLVA had always been 'pro-choice.'
This whole observed experience seemed strange to me at the time. Shouldn't the words 'reason' and 'skepticism' mean that we have an open exchange of ideas? But in this case a pro-life atheist was quickly booted and a merging of two atheist groups was rejected also because of the pro-life stance of a woman in the other group.
A few years later SLVA was unilaterally absorbed into A of U - SLVA was taken over by A of U and essentially simultaneously dissolved. This happened after a.) the past president with his pro-life girlfriend moved out of state and they had a baby together, and b.) A of U was taken over by Gay-Pride festival attendees (local Stonewall Center people).
While the pro-life-girlfrinded A of U president was still president of A of U, he made the mistake of doing membership outreach during 'Pride,' and this then resulted in A of U being completely taken over by 'Pride' participants.
Your wife helped me find my wife. Yes the fact that I have a wonderful family now, is thanks to the efforts of your wife. So thanks to her and you for that.
You were a 'Utah Atheists' person, a group dominated largely by those over 60. SLVA continued in that vein. Whereas the history of A of U differs a bit, in that yes there is now a lot of young people who attend, but mostly all people who love 'Pride' type events.
What is Atheists of Utah? It's a social group for Pride attendees and nothing more. If A of U were about science & reason, they wouldn't boot conservatives. Similarly if SLVA were a group whose focus were science & reason & skepticism, they wouldn't have booted conservatives & refused a merging with A of U back in the days when A of U was headed by an atheist man who had the audacity to have a pro-life girlfriend.
Regardign SLVA, at another meeting I recall a libertarian was invited to speak. At the time of that particular meeting I was still an economic-leftist. Thus during the Q&A I argued vociferously with the libertarian atheist speaker.
With SLVA, they didn't outright boot the rare libertarian, but libertarians were not really welcomed with open arms. The libertarian man was treated, by myself and others at SLVA, rather like a turd in a swimming pool.
After starting a family, I observed that my wife was basically a social conservative, with zero connection to the Bible or Book of Mormon or Quran. Pro-traditional-marriage. Skeptical of outlier pride. It was an eye opening experience.
As is normal for some, the process of starting a family naturally caused my own social views to move in the conservative direction.
Meanwhile I was still attending A of U weekly coffee chats. By this time A of U had been taken over by the Pride attendees and the pro-life girlfriended past president of A of U had moved out of state.
At one Pride-lover-run A of U coffee chat, a foul mouthed lesbian woman bemoaned how she didn't like 'breeders.' I was surprised by the crass and stupid crafting of such a response. Didn't she appreciate how she came into existence? 1.2 billion years of sexual evolutionary history, and then this type of anti-life anti-'breeding' crap comes out of the mouth of people like this foul crass woman.
But her anti-children response was not a one-off. For example for an A of U house party we were explicitly told that the party was 'not children-friendly.'
Back in the days when A of U wasn't run by Pride-Stonewall people, children were always welcome at the A of U parties. But regarding the non-reproductive outliers who love Pride & Stonewall, kids are definitely not on their list of priorities. Thus the 'Pride' incarnation of A of U was overtly anti-children and anti-reproductive-family.
The final straw with A of U came when I told them I liked Duck Dynasty. This stated heresy triggered all the social justice warrior (SJW) inclinations of the A of U leadership. A public heresy trial was conducted for myself on the A of U public facebook forum and I was booted and banned from their forum by their leadership.
So Harald, I voluntarily left the Mormon Church. But, I was booted from one in-person atheist group for my social views. And in subsequent months & years, I've also been booted from many other online atheist/humanist/naturalist groups.
With reactionary-leftist run atheist groups, there are definitely all the trappings of religion present. Dogma. Doctrine. Heresy trials. Excommunications.
I don't think you've been keyed into a lot of this history.
After being booted from A of U, I encountered an ex-Muslim atheist cartoonist who appreciates Ayn Rand. I observed the left's response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. I observed what happened with the Draw Mohamed Cartoon Art Contest in Garland, Texas, how two Muslims wanted to shoot up the conference, and how the cultural left wanted to ban the conference and blame the victims and conference organizers for the violence - rather than to blame the human spirit destroying cult of Islam. In the wake of Hebdo & Garland, I observed that mostly only libertarians supported freedom of speech.
In the wake of Islamic attacks the cultural left wanted to kiss Mohamed's ass. In response I started to take a first look at the libertarian views on economic issues.
The ex-Muslim atheist cartoonist I referenced keyed me into valuing the general Republican field for the 2016 presidential election. And I discovered other people, such as Mark Steyn, Douglas Murray, and Dave Rubin.
Dave Rubin introduced me to Milo Yiannopoulos. It was Milo who first introduced me to the value of having Trump as president.
I know you remember Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens was the one who first redpilled me regarding the corrupt raping nature of the Clintons. And later I learned of the pay to play whoring and rape enabling ways the Clintons, via the Clinton Cash book by Peter Schweizer and the similarly named graphic novel by Chuck Dixon.
Before the 2016 election, I didn't know much about Trump. Trump didn't have to run. He could have stood by and just let corrupt rape enabling pay to play whoring Hillary slide into office. Instead, he ran, and valiantly so.
Trump apparently wants to save America from the globalist raping whores who want to quash the American dream.
Now, today, I am basically a center right social & economic conservative. Pro-life. Pro-family. Pro-children. Pro-true history. Pro-true-evolution. Pro-true-science. Anti-chosen-forced-outlier. Pro-freedom-of-speech.
It's true that my wife, and my new family, helped me see the evolved & natural value of social conservatism, and social conservatism's power to help humans thrive and be happy.
In my transition away from leftism, there were a few other people who helped in addition to my wife.
They are:
Jordan B. Peterson
Gad Saad
Stefan Molyneux
Some of the people Dave Rubin & Joe Rogan interview on their youtube shows
Steven Crowder
Friend of Hitchens Dinesh D'Souza.
So Harald, as a friend, I've tried to share some of this info with you. During the 2016 election season, I started emailing you more regularly.
Remember that for many years, you would send me general broadcast emails once a month or more on political issues, always advocacting for the leftist side on all issues. But, when I finally returned the favor and started emailing you regular with new info I had found as noted above, you became angry.
In response you to my first few emails after coming out as a conservative you send me an email stating that you would auto-forward all of my emails sent to you back to me. My response to this stonewall & 'facepalm' was to naturally and reasonably take offense. Years of friendship, and helping me find my wife, and many dinners and in person visits, straight out the door when I revealed to you that I had essentially redpilled and become a conservative.
Harald you sleep during the day, and you wake up at about 4:30pm just so that you can watch Mr. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. You refuse to join Facebook and other social media. You run a legacy website which mostly no one visits now. And you have chosen to have zero exposure to other sources of information beyond whatever it is that MSNBC shovels into your brain on a daily basis.
We still come over to your house on occasion, perhaps once a year now instead of once every two weeks or so as in the past.
When I come over to your house now, I cannot discuss what's really on my mind & what I'm thinking now about life the universe and everything.
Functionally, you have treated me exactly the way Mormon families often treat their dissident members & dissident children: with angry and often a booting out the door. Muslims do this also to their dissident family members. Scientologists also. And yep atheists too. Religious-style booting, to a T.
Functionally, atheist groups you've been a part of treat dissidents who differ with the general group on social or economic issues, they treat such people with disdain and heresy trials and excommunications. Atheist groups act exactly like religions do. Tow the party line, or you're out!
Thus Harald, I question the veracity and validity of the 'leftist project,' as exemplified by:
1. Social Justice Warriors (SJW).
2. The Democrat Party.
3. The Unitarian Universalist Church, which is nothing more than an SJW outlier church and a magnet for reactionary-leftists with hurt feelings about the ultra-right.
4. The Stonewall Centers nationwide, which are denialist cults regarding human nature.
5. Humanist groups, which are seas of grey hair where children are very rare.
6. Atheist groups, which are not really interested in honesty regarding the human condition.
Religion couches evolved traits. This is a damn hard thing for an ex-religionist with a chip on his shoulder to admit.
The 'answer' to the ultra-right isn't ultra-leftism. Rather it's just advocacy for increased honesty.
Yes there are no literal gods. But without god not everything is permitted.
Harald, I thank you because your actions led to a path which then allowed my family to exist. But overall I think my family exists precisely in spite of the anti-children anti-family culture present within leftist run atheist groups (and within general cultural leftism), and not because of any particular pro-family stance of such groups.
A gold star on the forehead of those who're the very best at not having children. This is what the cultural left is about today: slow motion suicide.
As my family was growing, you did somewhat playfully accuse me of having 'Mormon values,' and of wanting more children because I was 'still a closet Mormon.'
No Harald, I'm not a closet Mormon. I'm an 'out of the closet' 1.2 billion year evolved inherently-reproductive sexually-dimorphic sexual-animal, merely doing what I am rather thankfully inclined to do, and what I believe humans thrive best via doing: promoting life!
The abusively-permissive leftist clamors for one-sided stilted 'joys' and pleasures of non-reproductive sex, without recognizing why sex exists in the first place: to have children.
The hippies thought they were just so revolutionary, with all the let it all hang out attitudes and atmosphere. They were noobs and naive fools Harald. They didn't understand that for all of our past history, sex equaled children period.
Your average Whole Foods shopper, who values 'organic' food, should value what human nature really is and why it exists in the first place.
If atheist groups were about reason & skepticism, they'd invite with open arms economic and social conservatives! But they don't!
Religion is do damn natural, that two or more atheists gathered in the name of their usually-leftist reactionary social agenda, can't help but form de facto religions, with all the trappings of religion, and pretty much zero reason, zero honesty, and zero true skepticism.
Harald I say:
Go Trump.
Go Sebastian Gorka.
Go Stephen K. Bannon.
Go Breitbart.
Go Jordan B. Peterson.
Go Milo Y.
Go Gad Saad.
And may the family which you helped create, in spite of your stances & views & history & memberships, continue to grow and thrive. Thanks Harald.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
--------------------------
Articles relating to my journey to conservatism:
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/conservative
Harald Illig
Hope things are going well. I wanted to thank you for making my family possible.
As I was leaving the Mormon Church I was going to university taking physics courses. At that time I thought that 'science and reason' had all the answers. Eventually I sought out atheist and 'humanist' groups, and I found a group you and I used to be members of: Utah Atheists, which later changed their name to Salt Lake Valley Atheists (SLVA), and SLVA was later dissolved and unilaterally absorbed into the separate Atheists of Utah.
Reason & skepticism means being willing to see if our beliefs are falsifiable. But atheist groups do not operate as engines of reason & skepticism. My first exposure to this fact happened as I was attending meetings with you for SLVA.
During one meeting for SLVA, Atheists of Utah existed as a separate entity from SLVA. SLVA was the longer running local atheist group. A president of Atheists of Utah (A of U) was at the SLVA meeting with his pro-life atheist girlfriend. At the SLVA meeting in question, the potential for a merging of SLVA with A of U was discussed. During the meeting members of SLVA stated that a merging was not possible because the girlfriend of the A of U president was pro-life, and it was stated that SLVA had always been 'pro-choice.'
This whole observed experience seemed strange to me at the time. Shouldn't the words 'reason' and 'skepticism' mean that we have an open exchange of ideas? But in this case a pro-life atheist was quickly booted and a merging of two atheist groups was rejected also because of the pro-life stance of a woman in the other group.
A few years later SLVA was unilaterally absorbed into A of U - SLVA was taken over by A of U and essentially simultaneously dissolved. This happened after a.) the past president with his pro-life girlfriend moved out of state and they had a baby together, and b.) A of U was taken over by Gay-Pride festival attendees (local Stonewall Center people).
While the pro-life-girlfrinded A of U president was still president of A of U, he made the mistake of doing membership outreach during 'Pride,' and this then resulted in A of U being completely taken over by 'Pride' participants.
Your wife helped me find my wife. Yes the fact that I have a wonderful family now, is thanks to the efforts of your wife. So thanks to her and you for that.
You were a 'Utah Atheists' person, a group dominated largely by those over 60. SLVA continued in that vein. Whereas the history of A of U differs a bit, in that yes there is now a lot of young people who attend, but mostly all people who love 'Pride' type events.
What is Atheists of Utah? It's a social group for Pride attendees and nothing more. If A of U were about science & reason, they wouldn't boot conservatives. Similarly if SLVA were a group whose focus were science & reason & skepticism, they wouldn't have booted conservatives & refused a merging with A of U back in the days when A of U was headed by an atheist man who had the audacity to have a pro-life girlfriend.
Regardign SLVA, at another meeting I recall a libertarian was invited to speak. At the time of that particular meeting I was still an economic-leftist. Thus during the Q&A I argued vociferously with the libertarian atheist speaker.
With SLVA, they didn't outright boot the rare libertarian, but libertarians were not really welcomed with open arms. The libertarian man was treated, by myself and others at SLVA, rather like a turd in a swimming pool.
After starting a family, I observed that my wife was basically a social conservative, with zero connection to the Bible or Book of Mormon or Quran. Pro-traditional-marriage. Skeptical of outlier pride. It was an eye opening experience.
As is normal for some, the process of starting a family naturally caused my own social views to move in the conservative direction.
Meanwhile I was still attending A of U weekly coffee chats. By this time A of U had been taken over by the Pride attendees and the pro-life girlfriended past president of A of U had moved out of state.
At one Pride-lover-run A of U coffee chat, a foul mouthed lesbian woman bemoaned how she didn't like 'breeders.' I was surprised by the crass and stupid crafting of such a response. Didn't she appreciate how she came into existence? 1.2 billion years of sexual evolutionary history, and then this type of anti-life anti-'breeding' crap comes out of the mouth of people like this foul crass woman.
But her anti-children response was not a one-off. For example for an A of U house party we were explicitly told that the party was 'not children-friendly.'
Back in the days when A of U wasn't run by Pride-Stonewall people, children were always welcome at the A of U parties. But regarding the non-reproductive outliers who love Pride & Stonewall, kids are definitely not on their list of priorities. Thus the 'Pride' incarnation of A of U was overtly anti-children and anti-reproductive-family.
The final straw with A of U came when I told them I liked Duck Dynasty. This stated heresy triggered all the social justice warrior (SJW) inclinations of the A of U leadership. A public heresy trial was conducted for myself on the A of U public facebook forum and I was booted and banned from their forum by their leadership.
So Harald, I voluntarily left the Mormon Church. But, I was booted from one in-person atheist group for my social views. And in subsequent months & years, I've also been booted from many other online atheist/humanist/naturalist groups.
With reactionary-leftist run atheist groups, there are definitely all the trappings of religion present. Dogma. Doctrine. Heresy trials. Excommunications.
I don't think you've been keyed into a lot of this history.
After being booted from A of U, I encountered an ex-Muslim atheist cartoonist who appreciates Ayn Rand. I observed the left's response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. I observed what happened with the Draw Mohamed Cartoon Art Contest in Garland, Texas, how two Muslims wanted to shoot up the conference, and how the cultural left wanted to ban the conference and blame the victims and conference organizers for the violence - rather than to blame the human spirit destroying cult of Islam. In the wake of Hebdo & Garland, I observed that mostly only libertarians supported freedom of speech.
In the wake of Islamic attacks the cultural left wanted to kiss Mohamed's ass. In response I started to take a first look at the libertarian views on economic issues.
The ex-Muslim atheist cartoonist I referenced keyed me into valuing the general Republican field for the 2016 presidential election. And I discovered other people, such as Mark Steyn, Douglas Murray, and Dave Rubin.
Dave Rubin introduced me to Milo Yiannopoulos. It was Milo who first introduced me to the value of having Trump as president.
I know you remember Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens was the one who first redpilled me regarding the corrupt raping nature of the Clintons. And later I learned of the pay to play whoring and rape enabling ways the Clintons, via the Clinton Cash book by Peter Schweizer and the similarly named graphic novel by Chuck Dixon.
Before the 2016 election, I didn't know much about Trump. Trump didn't have to run. He could have stood by and just let corrupt rape enabling pay to play whoring Hillary slide into office. Instead, he ran, and valiantly so.
Trump apparently wants to save America from the globalist raping whores who want to quash the American dream.
Now, today, I am basically a center right social & economic conservative. Pro-life. Pro-family. Pro-children. Pro-true history. Pro-true-evolution. Pro-true-science. Anti-chosen-forced-outlier. Pro-freedom-of-speech.
It's true that my wife, and my new family, helped me see the evolved & natural value of social conservatism, and social conservatism's power to help humans thrive and be happy.
In my transition away from leftism, there were a few other people who helped in addition to my wife.
They are:
Jordan B. Peterson
Gad Saad
Stefan Molyneux
Some of the people Dave Rubin & Joe Rogan interview on their youtube shows
Steven Crowder
Friend of Hitchens Dinesh D'Souza.
So Harald, as a friend, I've tried to share some of this info with you. During the 2016 election season, I started emailing you more regularly.
Remember that for many years, you would send me general broadcast emails once a month or more on political issues, always advocacting for the leftist side on all issues. But, when I finally returned the favor and started emailing you regular with new info I had found as noted above, you became angry.
In response you to my first few emails after coming out as a conservative you send me an email stating that you would auto-forward all of my emails sent to you back to me. My response to this stonewall & 'facepalm' was to naturally and reasonably take offense. Years of friendship, and helping me find my wife, and many dinners and in person visits, straight out the door when I revealed to you that I had essentially redpilled and become a conservative.
Harald you sleep during the day, and you wake up at about 4:30pm just so that you can watch Mr. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. You refuse to join Facebook and other social media. You run a legacy website which mostly no one visits now. And you have chosen to have zero exposure to other sources of information beyond whatever it is that MSNBC shovels into your brain on a daily basis.
We still come over to your house on occasion, perhaps once a year now instead of once every two weeks or so as in the past.
When I come over to your house now, I cannot discuss what's really on my mind & what I'm thinking now about life the universe and everything.
Functionally, you have treated me exactly the way Mormon families often treat their dissident members & dissident children: with angry and often a booting out the door. Muslims do this also to their dissident family members. Scientologists also. And yep atheists too. Religious-style booting, to a T.
Functionally, atheist groups you've been a part of treat dissidents who differ with the general group on social or economic issues, they treat such people with disdain and heresy trials and excommunications. Atheist groups act exactly like religions do. Tow the party line, or you're out!
Thus Harald, I question the veracity and validity of the 'leftist project,' as exemplified by:
1. Social Justice Warriors (SJW).
2. The Democrat Party.
3. The Unitarian Universalist Church, which is nothing more than an SJW outlier church and a magnet for reactionary-leftists with hurt feelings about the ultra-right.
4. The Stonewall Centers nationwide, which are denialist cults regarding human nature.
5. Humanist groups, which are seas of grey hair where children are very rare.
6. Atheist groups, which are not really interested in honesty regarding the human condition.
Religion couches evolved traits. This is a damn hard thing for an ex-religionist with a chip on his shoulder to admit.
The 'answer' to the ultra-right isn't ultra-leftism. Rather it's just advocacy for increased honesty.
Yes there are no literal gods. But without god not everything is permitted.
Harald, I thank you because your actions led to a path which then allowed my family to exist. But overall I think my family exists precisely in spite of the anti-children anti-family culture present within leftist run atheist groups (and within general cultural leftism), and not because of any particular pro-family stance of such groups.
A gold star on the forehead of those who're the very best at not having children. This is what the cultural left is about today: slow motion suicide.
As my family was growing, you did somewhat playfully accuse me of having 'Mormon values,' and of wanting more children because I was 'still a closet Mormon.'
No Harald, I'm not a closet Mormon. I'm an 'out of the closet' 1.2 billion year evolved inherently-reproductive sexually-dimorphic sexual-animal, merely doing what I am rather thankfully inclined to do, and what I believe humans thrive best via doing: promoting life!
The abusively-permissive leftist clamors for one-sided stilted 'joys' and pleasures of non-reproductive sex, without recognizing why sex exists in the first place: to have children.
The hippies thought they were just so revolutionary, with all the let it all hang out attitudes and atmosphere. They were noobs and naive fools Harald. They didn't understand that for all of our past history, sex equaled children period.
Your average Whole Foods shopper, who values 'organic' food, should value what human nature really is and why it exists in the first place.
If atheist groups were about reason & skepticism, they'd invite with open arms economic and social conservatives! But they don't!
Religion is do damn natural, that two or more atheists gathered in the name of their usually-leftist reactionary social agenda, can't help but form de facto religions, with all the trappings of religion, and pretty much zero reason, zero honesty, and zero true skepticism.
Harald I say:
Go Trump.
Go Sebastian Gorka.
Go Stephen K. Bannon.
Go Breitbart.
Go Jordan B. Peterson.
Go Milo Y.
Go Gad Saad.
And may the family which you helped create, in spite of your stances & views & history & memberships, continue to grow and thrive. Thanks Harald.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
--------------------------
Articles relating to my journey to conservatism:
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/conservative
Harald Illig
Wednesday, September 13, 2017
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. Also to: The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these.
Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. This fact is completely and utterly lost on atheists who are much more concerned with pushing abusively-permissive social-leftism than in being honest about religion.
(link to video: https://youtu.be/gA-F3p1OBmM )
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom and your bathroom - far more than the right. 'New Atheists' advocate for abusive-permissiveness, and for the mandatory forced-outlier-acceptance, of neomarxist postmodernist social leftism.
Abuses of the ultra-right, generate reactionary ultra-leftists.
When I was a Mormon I found that the ultra-right is very interested in what happens in bedrooms. The Mormon Church does go too far, via claiming that masturbation can readily lead to homosexuality, and that oral sex is bad. They also go too far via constant interrogations regarding sex. They push people, right over the edge and into the hands of abusively permissive reactionary ultra-leftists.
Islam of course goes much further in the abusive-shaming direction, with death penalties for going unveiled or alone on the street if you're a woman and so on.
Thus the ultra-right is interested in what happens in our bedrooms. But, so is the ultra-left.
With the cultural right, there's a great advocacy for having children and for normal family values.
With the cultural left, they claim that non-reproductive outlierism is the pinnacle of human achievement, and there is great advocacy for the exact opposite of family values.
Leftist eugenicist Margaret Sanger bankrolled both the abattoir of Planned Patenthood and the birth control pill. The latter item has had a nuclear bomb type impact upon humanity, and has left teens and adults not knowing why and how they got here in the first place.
(link to video: https://youtu.be/gA-F3p1OBmM )
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom and your bathroom - far more than the right. 'New Atheists' advocate for abusive-permissiveness, and for the mandatory forced-outlier-acceptance, of neomarxist postmodernist social leftism.
Abuses of the ultra-right, generate reactionary ultra-leftists.
When I was a Mormon I found that the ultra-right is very interested in what happens in bedrooms. The Mormon Church does go too far, via claiming that masturbation can readily lead to homosexuality, and that oral sex is bad. They also go too far via constant interrogations regarding sex. They push people, right over the edge and into the hands of abusively permissive reactionary ultra-leftists.
Islam of course goes much further in the abusive-shaming direction, with death penalties for going unveiled or alone on the street if you're a woman and so on.
Thus the ultra-right is interested in what happens in our bedrooms. But, so is the ultra-left.
With the cultural right, there's a great advocacy for having children and for normal family values.
With the cultural left, they claim that non-reproductive outlierism is the pinnacle of human achievement, and there is great advocacy for the exact opposite of family values.
Forced non-reproductive outlierism is not the touchstone upon which 100,000 years of human evolutionary history is based. Leftist atheists see not having children as being the highest moral & social value & goal.
Leftist atheists essentially ask: 'What type of non-reproductive outlier can you come out as! Choose, so you can get a gold star on your forehead, and rise up on the racist bigoted group rights group blames hierarchy of the left.'
Leftist atheists essentially ask: 'What type of non-reproductive outlier can you come out as! Choose, so you can get a gold star on your forehead, and rise up on the racist bigoted group rights group blames hierarchy of the left.'
The 'new atheists' / leftist atheists want an utter rejection of social conservatism. They lump in social conservatism with the derogatory label of "theocracy." The New Atheists fail to see how religions couch evolved traits.
Under the thin veneer of mysticism, some damn useful evolved human values are present.
Examples:
1. Pro-reproduction.
2. Pro-Family.
3. Pro-Children.
4. Pro-Life.
5. Pro-Good-Tradition.
6. Pro avoiding destructive dead end and suicidal behaviors.
Examples:
1. Pro-reproduction.
2. Pro-Family.
3. Pro-Children.
4. Pro-Life.
5. Pro-Good-Tradition.
6. Pro avoiding destructive dead end and suicidal behaviors.
Leftists in our bedrooms and bathrooms.
The people who want to get into my bedroom and bathroom most these days, are on the cultural left. Gender non-binarity and 'trans' bullshit: allowing mentally ill men to forcibly enter the restrooms of women and girls. Brainwashing children regarding gender and "sexual orientation," AKA advocating for both gender-dysphoria and sexual-orientation-dysphoria - and punishing dissenters religious-cult-style with heresy trials, excommunications, oh and the law too where the abusive crazies have their hands on the wheels of power.
The people who want to get into my bedroom and bathroom most these days, are on the cultural left. Gender non-binarity and 'trans' bullshit: allowing mentally ill men to forcibly enter the restrooms of women and girls. Brainwashing children regarding gender and "sexual orientation," AKA advocating for both gender-dysphoria and sexual-orientation-dysphoria - and punishing dissenters religious-cult-style with heresy trials, excommunications, oh and the law too where the abusive crazies have their hands on the wheels of power.
Leftist Atheists want to draw my children into a victimhood competition, and one where outlierism is valued above all else.
Leftist eugenicist Margaret Sanger bankrolled both the abattoir of Planned Patenthood and the birth control pill. The latter item has had a nuclear bomb type impact upon humanity, and has left teens and adults not knowing why and how they got here in the first place.
I agree with Jordan Peterson on such fronts, although I arrived at my conclusions before finding Peterson. But he's right.
Leftist Atheists seek to tear evolved social conservatism out from both Christianity and Islam. They are following in the footsteps of a long line reactionary naive denialist fools.
Ultra right.
Ultra left in response.
A ping pong game.
And two sides of the same coin abusive coin.
A more moderate approach is called for.
Fact 1: Yes there's damn good reasons to avoid destructive dead end behaviors.
Fact 2: But if you are too harsh in your approach re fact 1, and if you lie to people about what the consequences are for lower level more harmless behaviors, you will generate reactionary fools in response.
And two sides of the same coin abusive coin.
A more moderate approach is called for.
Fact 1: Yes there's damn good reasons to avoid destructive dead end behaviors.
Fact 2: But if you are too harsh in your approach re fact 1, and if you lie to people about what the consequences are for lower level more harmless behaviors, you will generate reactionary fools in response.
Some people are waking up. Example: Former forced abusive outlier Doug Mainwaring.
There are evolved behaviors which can and do make us happy: family; children; helping our family & children & others; telling the truth about life the universe and everything. Quelling the darker angels of our nature, and also using those darker angels as a power for positive good.
In conclusion, stay out of our bedrooms Mr. & Mrs. & 'It-Outlier' Leftie, with your lies about human nature and about evolution and our evolved nature as sexually-dimorphic gender-binary sexually-reproducing sexual-animals.
Religion couches evolved traits. Live with it. Deal with it. Value it.
And as for the mystical claims, I suggest that a lot of them have, wait for it, evolved value too! Popular stories passed down for damn good reasons, and some of those reasons are damn valuable.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
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Further references:
'My Journey to Conservatism'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/09/my-journey-to-conservatism.html
Conservative Naturalism
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/conservative%20naturalism
'Lies present in conservative religion force children into the abusive arms of the denialist myopic left.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/02/lies-present-in-conservative-religion.html
'UMFA and UMOCA unsafe for women and girls'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/09/umfa-and-umoca-unsafe-for-women-and.html
'Lives and families are destroyed by Tranny and Gay acceptance and promotion - LGBT abusive outliers are not equal'
'The Western Enlightenment versus Democrat leftist slavery'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-western-enlightenment-versus.html
Mormonism and oral sex:
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Addendum regarding the Mormon claim that whacking off can make you gay:
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Response:
What Mormons do to their children and adults on the above front, with interrogations and grilling regarding normal coming of age activities, does push many to be forced abusive outliers. From the Mormon Temple to the local Stonewall Center. This is the common & normal path for children & adults so abused. Two sides of the same coin.
With such harshness, the Mormons hurt their otherwise worthy goals to help humans avoid destructive dead end outlier type activities. Also for many kids in Mormonism, this is their "sex ed," where they learn about homosexuality first.
Let us agree that there are behaviors which are not helpful and which lead to dead ends.
If we were to take was social conservatives advocate for, and make five word summaries of each, and live by those advocacies, we would all be more happy, more happy naturally as per our evolved natures. This is something both the utlra-right and the ultra-left should make note of.
If you ignore evolved facts, you will pay a price. And if you push to far in the shame direction, you will get very bad reactionary results.
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Stonewall.
In conclusion, stay out of our bedrooms Mr. & Mrs. & 'It-Outlier' Leftie, with your lies about human nature and about evolution and our evolved nature as sexually-dimorphic gender-binary sexually-reproducing sexual-animals.
Religion couches evolved traits. Live with it. Deal with it. Value it.
And as for the mystical claims, I suggest that a lot of them have, wait for it, evolved value too! Popular stories passed down for damn good reasons, and some of those reasons are damn valuable.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
-------------
Further references:
'My Journey to Conservatism'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/09/my-journey-to-conservatism.html
Conservative Naturalism
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/search/label/conservative%20naturalism
'Lies present in conservative religion force children into the abusive arms of the denialist myopic left.'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2016/02/lies-present-in-conservative-religion.html
'UMFA and UMOCA unsafe for women and girls'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/09/umfa-and-umoca-unsafe-for-women-and.html
'Lives and families are destroyed by Tranny and Gay acceptance and promotion - LGBT abusive outliers are not equal'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2015/07/lives-and-families-are-destroyed-by.html
'Family Values Atheism: Questioning liberal dogma -- the Gay Flag: Freaks Welcome Here -- questioning gay marriage'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/08/family-values-atheism-questioning.html
'Family Values Atheism: Questioning liberal dogma -- the Gay Flag: Freaks Welcome Here -- questioning gay marriage'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/08/family-values-atheism-questioning.html
'The Western Enlightenment versus Democrat leftist slavery'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-western-enlightenment-versus.html
Mormonism and oral sex:
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2013/02/ldsorg-discover-perversity-or-mormonism.html
In 1982, the Mormon God speaks about oral sex through his prophets, seers, and revelators:
Page 1: http://lds-mormon.com/worthy_letter.shtml
page 2: http://lds-mormon.com/worthy_letter1.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet,_seer,_and_revelator
A relevant parody of the situation: http://stakepresident.blogspot.com/2011/05/oral-abstinence-key-to-happy-fulfilling.html
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Addendum regarding the Mormon claim that whacking off can make you gay:
---quote begins
Chapter Six Crime Against Nature —Their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly— — Romans 1:26-27 Youth come into contact early with masturbation. Many would-be authorities declare that it is natural and acceptable, and frequently young men I interview cite these advocates to justify their practice of it. To this we must respond that the world's norms in many areas-drinking, smoking, and sex experience generally, to mention only a few-depart increasingly from God's law. The Church has a different, higher norm. Thus prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. While we should not regard this weakness as the heinous sin which some other sexual practices are, it is of itself bad enough to require sincere repentance. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation- practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality. ---from 'Miracle of Forgiveness' (what a bullshit title), by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball. https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
What Mormons do to their children and adults on the above front, with interrogations and grilling regarding normal coming of age activities, does push many to be forced abusive outliers. From the Mormon Temple to the local Stonewall Center. This is the common & normal path for children & adults so abused. Two sides of the same coin.
With such harshness, the Mormons hurt their otherwise worthy goals to help humans avoid destructive dead end outlier type activities. Also for many kids in Mormonism, this is their "sex ed," where they learn about homosexuality first.
Let us agree that there are behaviors which are not helpful and which lead to dead ends.
If we were to take was social conservatives advocate for, and make five word summaries of each, and live by those advocacies, we would all be more happy, more happy naturally as per our evolved natures. This is something both the utlra-right and the ultra-left should make note of.
If you ignore evolved facts, you will pay a price. And if you push to far in the shame direction, you will get very bad reactionary results.
Leftist atheists want into your bedroom far more than the right! Evolved morality is couched within religious contexts. An open letter to 'New Atheists,' such as Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, and others. The Atheism Plus crowd. Atheists of Utah. Atheist Community of Austin. Unitarian Universalist 'humanist' groups. To all these. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Stonewall.
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