My response to the Croppertology cult which stole away two nieces and one nephew, away into an apparent & perceived Mormon splinter micro-cult. All three changed their first names, and they all changed their last names to match that of the cult leader.
Above: Bitchute video link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/vIGmVMBCfHRU/ Youtube mirror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9KIe_pMS_U
Cult leader:
Camille Sebrina Cropper of Logan, Utah
...from what I can tell based on online research.
Cult member names:
Madelyn Higbee original name.
Maline Johanna Cropper cult member name.
John David Higbee original name.
Paul Michael Cropper cult member name.
Janessa Rose Higbee original name.
Elisabeth Joan Cropper cult member name.
Why did these three all change their names?
Yes Mormonism is abusive in its own right, but good grief one can leave Mormonism without having to fully cut yourself off from every single person in your family.
Cult is as cult does. Those who do cult like behavior are cultists.
Additional commentary regarding the abusive nature of the Mormon Church, specifically regarding Bishop led interrogations of children and adults regarding sexual matters. Behind closed doors, strange men interrogate children regarding whacking off.
It took me many years to recover from Mormonism and during those years I was an angry ultra-leftist reactionary.
Now I'm an evolutionary social conservative, but I will identify and call out abuse on all sides.
To the Cropper Cult Three, my blood kin, I say:
Your father is very frail now. After several heart attacks he is a whisper of a man. Your parents think of you every day, and your new assumed names mixed with your total disconnection from any of your family, well, you've gone too far with your cultistic craziness.
I am bunt in my vid. I'm not a fan of cults of any flavor. This vid is long overdue.
The Mormon Church is a pornographic church.
Joseph Smith had a 14 year old wife plus he had sex with women who were still legally married to other men (his plural "wives").
Brigham Young, ditto with a 15 year old, and also ditto re the wives of other men.
Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball wrote the evil book "Miracle Forgiveness" which claims that whacking off will make one a faggyfag.
This lie, probably drove Many to be angry reactionaries including many "Pride" attendees as such.
Kimball also produced a January 1982 letter stating that oral sex is not ordained of the Mormon god.
Plus advanced Mormon doctrine states that God the Father, Elohim, had literal sex with Mary the mother of Jesus. Next that Elohim has many wives in heaven, whom he has sex with with create spirit babies for worlds without end. Thus Joseph Smith and his cohorts dreamt up a sex-crazed ramptant orgy type of heaven for themselves to live in. And thus, Mormonism is an Abusively pornographic church at its core. Utterly hypocritical.
When I was an ultra-leftist virgin living in mommy's basement, yes I used porn some. But frankly my porn use drove me to want real in person interactions.
Now I am a father with kids, and a family man, and I have mostly no use for commercialized porn. Yes porn does hijack. Yes kids should be protected from it. Yes humans have evolved hidden sexuality. That's all fine.
But hypocritical Mormons should not go around preaching to others about porn, while still believing that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, or Spencer Kimball were in any way prophets of a god.
To Madelyn, John David, and Janessa I say:
Whatever your parents did, that doesn't warrant cutting yourself off totally from all of your family, or even from your parents now that they're becomming increasingly frail.
Your father is now a more humble man, and he's been very kind to my family.
This "cut," these "cuts" of yours to people who don't mean you harm per se, is immoral.
And yes leaving people stuck in cults is immoral too. Thus, leave the Croppertology cult I advise you.
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Wednesday, March 4, 2020
Thursday, December 20, 2018
That which produces love, is love: Choose Life.
When the human species turns away from its evolutionary roots, it falters.
What does it mean when an animal is sexually dimorphic? It means there’s trait divergence between the genders. Size. Disposition. Personality. Intelligence distribution, peaks, lows, averages. Inclinations. Desires. Preferences. Preferred jobs. Natural abilities, on average.
In the human animal, women evolved to be the primary care givers to young children. Look women are damn capable people. But, when they outsource primary childcare to strangers, they are selling their own children short. Plus they are also then acting as an enabling force for the abusive leftist Ponzi scheme known as State Welfare - a system which is an enabling force for BAD and abusive human behavior: Abusive behavior such as incentivized single mother households. Abusive from a human nature and evolutionary perspective.
I’m not talking about gods as the origin or morality. Evil Santy isn’t checking whether you whacked off last night. Don’t worry. But, religions couch evolved human morality. Thus, what humans are DOING today, now, all is rooted in evolved human nature.
Thus, while Evil Santy Jesus isn’t making his list and checking it twice whether you watch porn, whack off too much, or are on a track to be a non reproductive outlier petty dead end wastrel. No literal gods give a F.
But, we as sexual animals, naturally derive the most happiness when we live our lives in such a manner which more closely aligns with what we have been evolved to do: have children au naturel - the way 1.2 billion years of evolutionary history intended.
Before you resort to implementing in your life eugenicist Margaret Sanger’s birth control pill (she bankrolled it), consider carefully. Have you pushed yourself enough? Are you smart enough to know exactly when to cut yourself off from inherent reproduction?
Evolution is smarter than you. The ant with a liver fluke inside doesn’t know why it crawls to the top of a blade of grass so as to be eaten by a passing cow. Brains and eyes naturally progressed via natural selection long before neurology and ophthalmology came on the scene.
Yes we are an interplanetary species. But, if you outsource the primary raising of your young kids to strangers, you are literally selling them and yourself short.
Burn those bras. Put them pussy hats on. Scream. Yell. Complain. Throw a tizzy. But in the end, women in the human species posses the primary ability and evolved responsibility to care for children in a human family’s primary nesting place. Also, when women do work, they choose female trait type jobs on average. Care-giving jobs. Not manly jobs.
Men are better physicists because men have a naturally wider IQ distribution. More highs. More lows. Female human IQs tend to populate toward the middle of the IQ human intelligence distribution.
Also human races, also known as sub-species in the biological sense (sub doesn’t in this case mean lesser, it just means a subdivision of the larger species group), have a.) differing average personality profiles, and differing average intelligence distributions.
All this talk is utter heresy within culturally Marxist postmodernism, a denialist cult which underpins most primary and secondary education in Europe and America. The social sciences including psychology and all university departments which end in the word studies, all these are also underpinned by the evolved human nature denying cult of postmodernism.
Oh and by the way, if I were a white supremacist, I wouldn’t be willing to admit that Ashkenazi Jews (European Jews) and East Asians score higher on average on math intelligence than evil evil universal-slavery-ending whitey does.
365,000 pink skins AKA white Northern Army soldiers DIED during the American Civil War so that universal slavery on this planet could be ended - and many white British soldiers died worldwide for the exact same reason.
So ask yourself, why are childless socially leftist European leaders importing socially conservative Muslims into Europe to breed on their behalf? For evolutionary and biological reasons. It’s not dicks out for Harambe. https://youtu.be/M0nw5dx2a_4 It’s dicks and vaginas out for whatever human group has got the available biggest-balls and the most human nature complying and honoring vaginas.
If your own county is filled with soy-boy feminized men and women who pop eugenicist Margaret Sanger’s birth control pill, you WILL (for evolutionary reasons which even you’ll verbally deny) want to import more socially conservative humans who wIll more truly honor our evolved by natural selection sexual human natures. Import by hook or by crook. Feeling the redpill going down the gullet yet? Am I getting through?
I’m my own man, but we all stand on the shoulders of others.
Spend hours and hours listening to Dan Dennett explain how religion is a natural phenomenon on YouTube. Anti Trump Marxist old fart hippie Dennett. https://youtu.be/1tSLH345W_0
Next absorb Marxism-lite apologist & general centrist, Ashkenazi Jew, Steven Pinker’s views on how human babies are not born blank slates. https://youtu.be/DFey_0cbgeo
Add in Christopher Hitchens’ advocacy for seeking the truth everything else be damned. On the Clintons, FYI: https://youtu.be/UrzyVt1lbpo On abortion, 1: https://youtu.be/B8HhTKzmvas , 2: https://youtu.be/Apt4iR6axnY
Next sample Jordan B. Peterson’s commentary on postmodernism and his interviews on the absolute necessity of fathers in the home. 1 p-mod-ism: https://youtu.be/oyzSrtr6oJE , 2 shorter telomeres by the age of ~9 if there’s no father present(!): https://youtu.be/v5O_FLUWYmg And on the myth of overpopulation: https://youtu.be/cnIKH0bbNSs by the way.
Next Gad Saad’s many vids: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLH7qUqM0PLieCVaHA7RegA
And then add raised by an abusive single mom, small L libertarian, pragmatically socially moderate/conservative atheist, & Trump-advocate Stefan Molyneux. On links between race and IQ (they AREN’T celebrating): https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Stefan+molyneux+race+intelligence
(Click on the links either directly by Molyneux or by Dave Rubin).
Next Molyneux on abortion:
(Select links actually by Molyneux)
Next, older genius pot smoking and coffee loving Scott Adams everything: https://youtube.com/channel/UCw5pSFA1KVZJruigo_FVv2Q/featured and https://blog.dilbert.com/coffee-with-scott-adams-podcast/ and on Periscope.
Social-leftist classic-liberal Carl Benjamin: https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100 and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpiCH7qvGVlzMOqy3dncA5Q
Warlock and Trump advocate Tarl Warwick: https://www.youtube.com/user/Styxhexenhammer666
The people Dave Rubin interviews: https://www.youtube.com/user/RubinReport
And even the indefatigable free speech advocate Milo Yiannopoulos. https://www.dangerous.com/
Gavin McInnes, a founder of Vice, and Trump advocate: https://youtu.be/5mevw1cCZ4c
Owen Benjamin, pianist, blue comic, conservative Christian, and Trump advocate: https://www.youtube.com/user/owenbenjamincomedy
Molyneux on why Australian aboriginals had 40,000 years at the wheel of Oz, w/o doing much more than create the wheel: https://youtu.be/SQxBcQJE_e0
Why do salmon swim upstream?
Why do women put lipstick on?
Why are we driven to produce life?
It's not my fault we're on a trail which has been traveling some 1.2 billion years, the amount of time sex has existed on this planet.
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This is a special week. In a few days I shall be attending the funeral of a second nephew who's been taken too early.
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This is a special week. In a few days I shall be attending the funeral of a second nephew who's been taken too early.
When you live in a clouded-in environment which is grey for 11 months of the year. When you've failed at life and love, and you're allowing booze to lower your inhibitions, you might have a voice which comes into your head which says: "Why don't you just f-ing kill yourself."Two nephews, taken way too early by the reaper. They couldn't wait until they were 85 to exit. Why?
Because when they were at their lowest, they didn't reach out for help.
Phone a helper, paid to help people in such situations. Talk through the thoughts. Understand why imposing thoughts of doing bad shit to yourself comes into your head.
When you're at your lowest, you can either allow the low point to be an impetus for positive change, or you can take the easy way out and let the reaper take you. If so taken, you shall:
Leave behind those who love you. Leave behind the POTENTIAL for love & change.
Most suicides produce anger in those left behind. Anger at realizing we probably could have done more and anger at the cowardice and selfishness of the act itself. But here's a f-ing kicker: There's also slow motion suicide which people do while still breathing.
We all face hard times.
You can let anger and/or depression take you, or you can reach out for help when you're at your lowest.
And yes booze and other brain chemical changing drugs do worsen situations.They remove evolutionarily-provided walls.
Booze causes a high, but it also causes a subsequent low, plus it also opens a brain up to more negative thoughts than would otherwise be there.
Thus, when a person is at their lowest, they should choose to reach out for help, for help from strangers trained to help. Then later, they can work to instead choose life.
And thus, four children have been born, by hook and by crook, and by some hard pushing.
That which produces love, is love. It's life. It's sex. It's the river of life. It's the Great Mandala. Take your place, or don't. I suggest you do. And once taken, stay the f around so as to help your kids grow up! I DGAF if you feel like shit. They need you. That's my message to you. Thus get up, pick yourself up, try to understand your partner and yourself, and move on with life.
That which produces love, is love. It's life. It's sex. It's the river of life. It's the Great Mandala. Take your place, or don't. I suggest you do. And once taken, stay the f around so as to help your kids grow up! I DGAF if you feel like shit. They need you. That's my message to you. Thus get up, pick yourself up, try to understand your partner and yourself, and move on with life.
The Great Mandella (The Wheel Of Life) song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoi0TyMqwM
Talk I gave at my mother's funeral:
---excerpt:
As far as I can tell, relative to our position in the Universe, we're rather like some moss growing on the top of a mountain.As moss we're very intelligent. And maybe some day, being the smart green moss that we are, maybe we'll find a way to extract ourselves from the mountain top.In a few years our lone peak which is the only place we can live is going to get scorched. And we happen to be so smart in fact that we have predicted the future scorching.So if we are very lucky & very smart indeed, our science & technology may save us.Or perhaps we'll fade away to dust like most life has on the mountain.It's either the sky god or the volcano god, or the real truth about our rather humble state.Noble & beautiful, yes, but if we're going to make it in the long term at least a few of us have to take a longer view.There is no Christian Armageddon waiting. But in about 500 million years our Sun will be 10% brighter thereby causing the oceans boil off. So our descendants either need to re-engineer the Sun by then, or get us off of this rock. And we've only known about this for ten or so years. And there are other huge risks to our survival.What we teach our children about science may save humanity.There's no heaven or hell. But that means we have an added responsibility to care for what we have here. To make this life here & now into a heaven or a hell.We are related to other animals. We are animals, and our morals come from a combination of genetics and socialization. Whether such a fact is good or bad, it doesn't matter. That's simply the way it is.Being concerned about legacy is an issue. Who will care that you lived in 100 years? Make a contribution. Be a great artist or a great scientist or have kids. And if you have kids, teach them the value cutting edge art and science, and of the value of taking the proverbial red pill as from the
film The Matrix.
---end of excerpt
We only get one shot on this pale blue dot:
...don't waste it. Don't exit early by your own hand. Live a life which honors your evolutionary heritage as a sexually reproductive sexually dimorphic emergent properties highly intelligent animal, and you'll be happier.
When two or more are gathered:
Lyrics:
He is now to be among you at the calling of your heartsRest assured this troubadour is acting on His partThe union of your spirits here has caused Him to remainFor whenever two or more of you are gathered in His nameThere is love, there is loveWell a man shall leave his mother, and a woman leave her homeThey shall travel on to where the two shall be as oneAs it was in the beginning is now until the endA woman draws her life from man and gives it back againAnd there is love, there is loveWell then what's to be the reason for becoming man and wifeIs it love that brings you here or love that gives you lifeFor if loving is the answer then who's the giving forDo you believe in something that you've never seen beforeOh there's love, oh there's loveOh, the marriage of your spirits here has caused Him to remainFor whenever two or more of you are gathered in His name
There is love, oh there's love
---end of quote
If you're not joined in love, you will be lost. Thus join hands, or be lost. Thus I suggest joining hands in love.
Wednesday, May 30, 2018
Recoverying from cults on the right and the left
Ok regarding meme sets called cults, I've been a member of more than one:
1st: The Mormon meme set. Still a cult, with a slow trajectory toward being less cult like. Founded by two polygamists who had a.) underage wives (this is called: pedophilia & child rape), and b.) wives who were still married to other men (this is called: adultery).
The Mo Church dumped polygamy, which was good, but splinter groups who also worship Joseph Smith continue the practice. I've toured first hand polygamous cities in & near Utah. And we've been bowling next to a gaggle of polygamous women & a few of their kids. I also see them at grocery stores near me on occasion. Splinter group Mormons.
In more recent years the Mo Church decided to micro-manage the sex lives of their members. In 1982 Prophet of God Spencer Kimball issued a directive stating that oral sex was not approved of god. Think about the content and procedure of such a letter going out to Mormon members. Consider very carfully the impact on the lives of regular people of such a directive.
Next Spencer Kimball told the youth of the church that masturbation could easily turn them into homosexuals. He also stated that >mandatory< interviews regarding masturbation were >required< with Mormon bishops. Such interviews were also common at the Mormon Missionary Training Center.
Consider very carefully the impact on people's lives of such misinformation & abuse.
Now, Kimball's lying abusive book Miracle of Forgiveness (oxymoron title) was recently removed from the Mo church distribution centers, after being present there in multiple languages. This happened with the past 5 years or so. But before about 5 years ago, this crap book was again in multiple languages, and given to young people & adults as required reading: https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
So, the dumping of Miracle of Forgiveness from the Mo Church distribution centers (the stores members go to buy religious study materials directly from the church), well that's a move in the non-cult direction.
But, and this is a huge point, the interrogations of young people & adults regarding sexual matters continues. Thus, still a cult.
If you question the leaders you are blocked from access to the temples of the church, and you might be put in trial and booted from the church. Thus, still a cult.
Some members will still threaten you personally if you publicly question church teachings and church leadership. Thus, still a cult.
There is still incredibly strong social pressure to >never< question what the top leaders say. Thus, still a cult.
2nd: The cult of cultural leftism, which I much later leaned results from cultural neomarxist postmodernism. The cultural left denies science & reason & evidence & human nature every day & all the time.
Was Margaret Sanger a eugenicist? Yes she was.
Do children absolutely require, for their own well being, a mother AND a father? Yes, for concrete and proven evolutionary reasons.
Does the birth control pill alter, in bad and dangerous ways, the mental health and mate preferences of human females? Yes.
Should a mother, ideally and if at all possible, stay home with her children for as long as possible, for the best well being of the children? Yes.
Are women paid less than men for equal work? No.
Is there systemic racism in America? No, and there's hasn't been any such for many years now.
Are humans a gender binary species? Yes.
Is capitalism & full free speech the best ways for humans to thrive best? Yes.
Did Karl Marx fundamentally misunderstand human nature? Yes. Do all socialist / communist / Marxist systems eventually fail? Yes. Are they human spirit destroying Ponzi schemes? Yes.
Is monogamy the best way for humans to mate & have kids, a system which is best both for female & male & children well being? Yes.
Do religions couch evolved morality & evolved traits? Yes.
What are the leftist answers to all the above? Pretty much exactly the opposite of what the facts & our own evolved natures show. Thus on point after point, the cultural left, is a fraking cult.
Masturbation doesn't make you a homosexual as was claimed by Spencer Kimball, although telling kids it easily can or will does unfortunately generate many ultra-leftist angry reactionaries who end up in the other-cult known as Stonewall & "Pride." But, when you're of dating age and especially when above the age of 21, directing your sexual energies toward inherent reproduction is a strategy for success.
I spent many years as an ultra-leftist reactionary. A ping pong game from ultra-right to ultra-left. From one cult to another.
A few of my nephews & nieces (and an uncle) weren't unscathed from the abuses of the ultra-left. And frankly those who were hobbled (& killed) were victims of BOTH the ultra-right AND the ultra-left. A reactionary pingpong game.
Yes people deserve to know the truth. Are you being held back by entrenched dogma & doctrines? A dogma is a premise which cannot be questioned by definition.
Yes we can question whether cultural neomarxist postmodernism is a cult and comprises a set of lies or not. Yes we can question human nature. We can question whether scientific propositions are true or not.
Joseph Smith was a charlatan, but there's a great deal of charlatanry going on on the cultural left also, charlatanry with far wider abusive scope than the influence of the itty bitty religion of Mormonism.
1st: The Mormon meme set. Still a cult, with a slow trajectory toward being less cult like. Founded by two polygamists who had a.) underage wives (this is called: pedophilia & child rape), and b.) wives who were still married to other men (this is called: adultery).
The Mo Church dumped polygamy, which was good, but splinter groups who also worship Joseph Smith continue the practice. I've toured first hand polygamous cities in & near Utah. And we've been bowling next to a gaggle of polygamous women & a few of their kids. I also see them at grocery stores near me on occasion. Splinter group Mormons.
In more recent years the Mo Church decided to micro-manage the sex lives of their members. In 1982 Prophet of God Spencer Kimball issued a directive stating that oral sex was not approved of god. Think about the content and procedure of such a letter going out to Mormon members. Consider very carfully the impact on the lives of regular people of such a directive.
Next Spencer Kimball told the youth of the church that masturbation could easily turn them into homosexuals. He also stated that >mandatory< interviews regarding masturbation were >required< with Mormon bishops. Such interviews were also common at the Mormon Missionary Training Center.
Consider very carefully the impact on people's lives of such misinformation & abuse.
Now, Kimball's lying abusive book Miracle of Forgiveness (oxymoron title) was recently removed from the Mo church distribution centers, after being present there in multiple languages. This happened with the past 5 years or so. But before about 5 years ago, this crap book was again in multiple languages, and given to young people & adults as required reading: https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
So, the dumping of Miracle of Forgiveness from the Mo Church distribution centers (the stores members go to buy religious study materials directly from the church), well that's a move in the non-cult direction.
But, and this is a huge point, the interrogations of young people & adults regarding sexual matters continues. Thus, still a cult.
If you question the leaders you are blocked from access to the temples of the church, and you might be put in trial and booted from the church. Thus, still a cult.
Some members will still threaten you personally if you publicly question church teachings and church leadership. Thus, still a cult.
There is still incredibly strong social pressure to >never< question what the top leaders say. Thus, still a cult.
2nd: The cult of cultural leftism, which I much later leaned results from cultural neomarxist postmodernism. The cultural left denies science & reason & evidence & human nature every day & all the time.
Was Margaret Sanger a eugenicist? Yes she was.
Do children absolutely require, for their own well being, a mother AND a father? Yes, for concrete and proven evolutionary reasons.
Does the birth control pill alter, in bad and dangerous ways, the mental health and mate preferences of human females? Yes.
Should a mother, ideally and if at all possible, stay home with her children for as long as possible, for the best well being of the children? Yes.
Are women paid less than men for equal work? No.
Is there systemic racism in America? No, and there's hasn't been any such for many years now.
Are humans a gender binary species? Yes.
Is capitalism & full free speech the best ways for humans to thrive best? Yes.
Did Karl Marx fundamentally misunderstand human nature? Yes. Do all socialist / communist / Marxist systems eventually fail? Yes. Are they human spirit destroying Ponzi schemes? Yes.
Is monogamy the best way for humans to mate & have kids, a system which is best both for female & male & children well being? Yes.
Do religions couch evolved morality & evolved traits? Yes.
What are the leftist answers to all the above? Pretty much exactly the opposite of what the facts & our own evolved natures show. Thus on point after point, the cultural left, is a fraking cult.
Masturbation doesn't make you a homosexual as was claimed by Spencer Kimball, although telling kids it easily can or will does unfortunately generate many ultra-leftist angry reactionaries who end up in the other-cult known as Stonewall & "Pride." But, when you're of dating age and especially when above the age of 21, directing your sexual energies toward inherent reproduction is a strategy for success.
I spent many years as an ultra-leftist reactionary. A ping pong game from ultra-right to ultra-left. From one cult to another.
A few of my nephews & nieces (and an uncle) weren't unscathed from the abuses of the ultra-left. And frankly those who were hobbled (& killed) were victims of BOTH the ultra-right AND the ultra-left. A reactionary pingpong game.
Yes people deserve to know the truth. Are you being held back by entrenched dogma & doctrines? A dogma is a premise which cannot be questioned by definition.
Yes we can question whether cultural neomarxist postmodernism is a cult and comprises a set of lies or not. Yes we can question human nature. We can question whether scientific propositions are true or not.
Joseph Smith was a charlatan, but there's a great deal of charlatanry going on on the cultural left also, charlatanry with far wider abusive scope than the influence of the itty bitty religion of Mormonism.
Monday, October 9, 2017
Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers
Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers
Mormon Bishops routinely interrogate children and adults regarding sexual issues, and especially regarding masturbation.
Mormons, and especially Mormon Bishops, want to know!
This is the key question Mormon Bishops ask children, again, and again, and again. Children as young as 8 through the age of 25 - oh and especially at the Mormon Missionary Training Center (MTC) in Provo, Utah. But even in the regular meeting houses, if you masturbate as an 11-19 year old, you are required to go confess to your Mormon Bishop! After age 19, the Mormon Missionary structure takes over the asking. Then when you come home again after your Mormon mission, they'll still be asking.
Yes it's true that they do, universally, interrogate & grill the boys on this, but there is spill over effect onto the girls (cycle of abusive shame - teaching children to hate their own bodies).
Also, as per a widely distributed book within Mormonism, 'Miracle of Forgiveness' by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball, masturbation can easily make you a homosexual! Yes that's right, masturbation can make you a 'gay!' This message was told to me when I was young, and thus the Mormon Church is how I first learned about the existence of homosexuality. Next they taught me that if I masturbated, I could easily become a homosexual.
Suicides have resulted from this rampant widespread child abuse.
One such example, the suicide of Kip Eliason:
http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/a-latter-day-tragedy-suicide-over-masturbation/
Also there's a very popular 'Pride' culture in Salt Lake City. I argue the main reason for this is because children who're abused via this cycle-of-shaming scheme, grow up to be reactionary ultra-leftists in response. Thus the Mormon Church is an ultra-leftist generation machine.
video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinaY7_KiJU
Mormon Bishops routinely interrogate children and adults regarding sexual issues, and especially regarding masturbation.
Mormons, and especially Mormon Bishops, want to know!
This is the key question Mormon Bishops ask children, again, and again, and again. Children as young as 8 through the age of 25 - oh and especially at the Mormon Missionary Training Center (MTC) in Provo, Utah. But even in the regular meeting houses, if you masturbate as an 11-19 year old, you are required to go confess to your Mormon Bishop! After age 19, the Mormon Missionary structure takes over the asking. Then when you come home again after your Mormon mission, they'll still be asking.
Yes it's true that they do, universally, interrogate & grill the boys on this, but there is spill over effect onto the girls (cycle of abusive shame - teaching children to hate their own bodies).
Also, as per a widely distributed book within Mormonism, 'Miracle of Forgiveness' by Mormon Prophet Spencer Kimball, masturbation can easily make you a homosexual! Yes that's right, masturbation can make you a 'gay!' This message was told to me when I was young, and thus the Mormon Church is how I first learned about the existence of homosexuality. Next they taught me that if I masturbated, I could easily become a homosexual.
Suicides have resulted from this rampant widespread child abuse.
One such example, the suicide of Kip Eliason:
http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/a-latter-day-tragedy-suicide-over-masturbation/
Also there's a very popular 'Pride' culture in Salt Lake City. I argue the main reason for this is because children who're abused via this cycle-of-shaming scheme, grow up to be reactionary ultra-leftists in response. Thus the Mormon Church is an ultra-leftist generation machine.
Relevant clip from the film The God Makers, regarding the suicide of Kip Eliason.
Longer clip:
https://youtu.be/ljzVkt-I4Co
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As the answer to the following question appears to be YES:
'Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?'
Thursday, October 5, 2017
Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?
Is the Mormon Church still interrogating children and adults about masturbation?
Spencer Kimball & Boyd Packer, past & present prophets / Apostles of God, want into YOUR bedroom and the bedrooms of your children.
Teaching children to hate their own evolved sexual natures as they are coming of age, IS a reactionary ultra-leftist generation machine.
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7StK16_cPQ
Spencer Kimball & Boyd Packer, past & present prophets / Apostles of God, want into YOUR bedroom and the bedrooms of your children.
Teaching children to hate their own evolved sexual natures as they are coming of age, IS a reactionary ultra-leftist generation machine.
A related exchange from Facebook, quote begins:
I suggest that the way Mormonism deals with sexuality, results in the >exact opposite< of what they're hoping to accomplish.
Recently I encountered Jordan B. Peterson (JBP). I appreciate his approach, honestly, and general pragmatic social conservatism.
Below is a copy of an open letter I shared with him.
I am, now, fully on board with the pro-family pro-life pro-1.2-billion-year-evolved-marriage pro-reproduction pro-children project, but only after observing much of what the abusively permissive ultra left has to offer.
'Choose to be a non-outlier if you can'
I know there's a lot of non-Mormon Christians who're part of recovery from leftist crap. On the Mormon / Christian front there's a relevant old film called The Godmakers which mentions a boy named Kip who killed himself as a result of the Mormon approach.
Relevant clip from the film The God Makers:
Longer: https://youtu.be/ljzVkt-I4Co
------ quote of letter shared with JBP
You've had some questions regarding Mormonism of late. Here's more info.
In response to your general work & for where you touch upon human sexual nature topics:
FYI Mormonism has: a.) frequent required interrogations re masturbation for adolescents & adults, b.) claims from their past prophets that masturbation can lead to homosexuality, c.) a 1982 letter from their leadership stating that oral sex is prohibited. These types of cultural religious requirements tend to generate reactionary ultra-leftists in response, a fact which otherwise defeats the top-level general good intentions of religions like Mormonism.
The founders of Mormonism had underage wives & wives who were still legally married to other men. I'm an ex-Mormon and it's taken me a very long time to recover, first from ultra-right Mormonism, and next from reactionary ultra-leftism.
Now I'm center-right socially & economically. Also I transitioned from being a morbidly obese virgin living in my parent's basement, to a somewhat less heavy regular-house-dwelling father of three with a happy family.
I appreciate your general advocacy for social conservatism, but this is an FYI note that some ultra-right religions do actively generate reactionary ultra-leftists. Interrogating youngsters regarding masturbation teaches them to hate their own evolved sexual natures.
I've listened to your stated stances on these topics and I generally agree with you. For sure our energies in these regards should be directed toward an inherently-reproductive partner. But when adolescents and adults are 'pushed too far,' results can happen which are the exact and precise opposite of what should generally be hoped & aimed for.
The ultra-left is no panacea utopian 'answer' to the ultra-right. Instead I suggest the answers lie with pragmatic honesty regarding human nature & what prompts humans to live happy lives.
References:
1. Mormon 1982 oral sex prohibition letter: http://stakepresident.blogspot.com/2011/05/oral-abstinence-key-to-happy-fulfilling.html
...as on a parody website, but the quoted letter is quite real.
2. Mormon-Prophet issued book stating that masturbation can lead to homosexuality, a book given to many youngsters w/in Mormonism: https://archive.org/stream/MiracleOfForgiveness/MoF_djvu.txt
3. My own exit journal, on what is now a legacy website which reflects the time when I was still a reactionary ultra-leftist:
4. My more recent blog which documents my transition from ultra-left to basically center right economically & socially. http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/
5. Wives of the founders of Mormonism:
6. Hundreds of stories of others who've left Mormonism:
7. Anti-masturbation pamphlet given to many adolescents in Mormonism:
8. Another set of instructions given to young boys on the topic of masturbation:
E.g.: "...yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind."
In-person required interrogations of impressionable youth conducted by Mormon Bishops, interrogations starting as early as age 10.
Telling adolescents that masturbation can make one gay. For myself this was my first introduction to homosexuality - the Mormon Church telling me that if I masturbated I could become gay.
Telling adolescents to yell "STOP" in their minds when they have sexual thoughts.
Intrusive child & adult abuse.
For sure relations with real flesh & blood people of the opposite sex is preferable, but the above illustrations are frankly outright child abuse, and like I say ultra-leftist reactionaries are absolutely generated in response to the above highly hypocritical scheme, hypocritical in light of the documented actions of the founders of Mormonism.
In Salt Lake City there's very active & well attended 'Gay Pride' events, the headquarters of Mormonism. Two sides of the same coin. FYI.
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[I received a response from an LDS person at BYU (Brigham Young Universitiy) who scoffed at my account. My response to them:]
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The LDS Church, is IMO a gay person generator. Yes the approach of the Mormon Church drives people into the hands of the denialist left. On topic I suggest.
When 10 year olds are interrogated on the issue referenced, there's costs.
Yes I know that non-Mormon Christian churches want people to recover from being gay. That's great. Doug Mainwaring's path, is super & I support it.
But, as I note, the non-Mormon Christians have some rather strong concerns regarding the Mormon approach - as noted in the God Maker's film which documents the suicide of Kip Eliason.
I support the general top level social conservative goals of churches like Mormonism. But I'm suggesting they're shooting themselves in the foot by taking an approach which does drive people into the hands of the reactionary denialist left.
I suppose there's some value in culture for making note of how people's lives are actually lived. When I protested Mormonism, holding up Bruce Bagemihl's book 'Biological Exuberance,' I was a reactionary noob. Got my picture in the paper for the privilege. Now I see Bagemihl's approach as being myopic.
What's 'selected for' with humans is inherent reproduction. What makes humans the most happy, is reproduction. Life. Having children. Nihilism is a dead end.
Yes the Mormon Church is tempering their approach. The book widely handed out to church youth, Miracle of Forgiveness, which taught that masturbation would make you gay, is no longer in LDS Church distribution centers. Thank goodness. And many people, including many Mormons reportedly, are glad it's no longer there. But I suspect the interrogations of 10-14 year olds is still taking place. These kids first exposure to homosexuality, is via these interviews & teachings.
Cruising along as a normal kid, and then you encounter this crap? There are costs. The death of Kip Eliason. And yes, I would suggest, a hugely popular 'Pride' culture going on in Salt Lake. Reactions to going too far.
So I agree there's darn high value to the promotion of inherent reproduction. For god if you wish. For Jesus, that's fine. But also to honor 1.2 billion years of our own evolution as sexual animals - 1.2 billion years being the amount of time sex has existed on this planet.
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[The BYU man told me that 'anecdotal accounts' mean nothing, but also that the anecdotal accounts of 'millions' of Mormons should be highly respected:]
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First hand observations & cogent reflections. Gay uncle, dead of AIDS due to the glory hole culture of San Fran, leaving his straight family with no father. He grew up in Manti, Utah. From ultra-right to ultra-left, then dead.
Gay nephew, sucked into gay culture after having really an overly harsh Mormon father and a passive Mormon mother.
Myself, a reactionary ultra-leftist social justice warrior for several years until I woke up & decided to stop being a nihilist.
First hand lived experiences as a Mormon. Seeing other's experiences.
I'm 100% on board with 5-word-top-level summaries of what Mormons advocate for socially, but I only joined that ship after many years of an Alice in Wonderstand style journey through the dystopian denialist left.
Not to offend anyone, but I see religion as a fully natural phenomenon. Evolved traits couched within religious contexts. The Christian tradition is rather more valuable than others, because it allowed for a Reformation & Enlightenment.
If the Mormon Church is still interrogating 11 year olds about masturbation, such acts have costs I suggest. What are the costs other than the occasional suicide? 'Pride' I suggest. Stonewall reactionaries who see it as their key mission to defeat, the otherwise mostly-good & valuable family values that come out of 50 E. N. Temple (or 47 E. S. Temple).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not taking things out of the air. First hand observations & reflections. If you don't agree that's ok...
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Can you confirm or deny the interrogations referenced are still taking place? Widespread, or not so much?
Not to quell the Lord's Path to Truth or anything. Life does kind of suck, for the canary who has to actually enter the coal mine.
Does the squeaky wheel get the grease or the hammer within the gilded cage? I've had many hammers swung at me over the years, from the right and the left (mostly from the left these days, but I'll take all comers).
The elephant in the room.
The de facto cultural link, between 47 E. S. Temple and 255 E. 400 S.
Regarding anecdotal accounts:
The experiences of millions? Wouldn't that be just a higher number of easily-dismissible anecdotal accounts?
I don't claim anecdotal accounts should be automatically dismissed.
I'm just saying that on one hand you discount my experiences, the lived experiences of others, the suicide of the young man Kip referenced, while at the same time claiming that the anecdotal experiences of others should be rather highly valued.
'Pride' can just grow & grow & grow & grow in Salt Lake, and the guys in the Church Admin building can go on their course pretty much ambivalent to what I'm talking about I suppose. But frankly, I think there >is< a creep of SJWism (social justice warriorism) within Church HQ.
Kimball's horrible book as referenced, gone from the Church Distribution centers. Ding Dong The Witch is Dead - the song comes to mind.
On the creeping-SJW front: At the Utah Museum of Fine Arts, where LDS Church owned property is on display, they now have signs which state that "UMFA acknowledges that gender is not binary."
Art department managers now get to negate 1.2 billion years of history & our own evolved nature?
I have notified the Mormon Church about the signage and the risks such signs pose to women (the signs also say that men can use the women's restrooms if they want). Women of course, real women, have zero choice in this matter.
What's the response of the Mormon Church to this situation, after being notified? Crickets.
I know they teach evolution and biology at BYU, as I've been there first hand (yet another one of those pesky anecdotal accounts).
I'm aware that this forum is intended to serve as a support structure apparently for people who'd like to recover from denialist leftism and who'd like to live lives of inherent reproduction.
As a man with children, I don't want to see my children sucked into the denialist cult of abusively-permissive-leftism. The leftist cult which wants to put a gold star on the foreheads of those who're the very best, at not having children.
The people at the helm of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, have apparently chosen to shelve Kimball's horrible book. That Is Progress.
More Christians. And even More Mormons. That's ok. But on the other hand, child abuse is child abuse. And the types of interrogations mentioned, IMO turn some of the victims into ultra-leftist reactionaries.
Why would I bother to even have this discussion? What's >my< agenda on this front? I want people to be happy, and I want the truth to be out there. The truth is the ultra-left is not a panacea answer to the ultra-right.
If you visit Pride, and Stonewall, and the Unitarian Universalist Churches, and Atheist of Utah parties (A of U is now run by Stonewall SJWs - and they booted me when I told them I liked Duck Dynasty) - if you were to visit these places you'd find cultural refugees who're basically 'in recovery' from the Kimball-Packer approach to things.
If people can find happiness via being Mormon, that's ok mostly, but children should not be interrogated for masturbation when they're coming of age, interrogated by strangers. And the costs for doing such are many.
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'Questions for Mormon Missionaries - God, Sex, and honesty | 16 questions for Mormon Missionaries'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/questions-for-mormon-missionaries-god.html
As the answer to the question I post appears to be yes, after checking, the following new page was created:
'Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/10/mormon-bishops-are-child-abusers.html
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'Questions for Mormon Missionaries - God, Sex, and honesty | 16 questions for Mormon Missionaries'
https://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2014/03/questions-for-mormon-missionaries-god.html
As the answer to the question I post appears to be yes, after checking, the following new page was created:
'Mormon Bishops are Child Abusers'
http://jonathanshome.blogspot.com/2017/10/mormon-bishops-are-child-abusers.html
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